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wellll... to the defence of the naysayers... one could come up with the argument Ultimecia turned out as she did because her parents gave her a bloody stupid name....
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wellll... to the defence of the naysayers... one could come up with the argument Ultimecia turned out as she did because her parents gave her a bloody stupid name....
The storm was coming? Light, he WAS the storm
-Rand Al'Thor.Path of Daggers. Robert Jordan
Or she could of just changed her name when she decided to become evil.. :rolleyes2
Mr Thou! Mr Thou!
Well if you want to be serious and sensible about it....
nah, don't think the weirdness of the name has to mean something really...either way.
The storm was coming? Light, he WAS the storm
-Rand Al'Thor.Path of Daggers. Robert Jordan
It doesn't ADD a huge amount, but it shoots down that particular counter arguement.
Just like Ultimecia looking different to Rinoa doesn't add to the theory, but given Adel and Edea both changed appearance logically so should Rinoa therefore shooting down THAT counter arguement.
Finding evidence that supports something is no more important than making sure nothing actually damages it as a theory IMO.
I say what I think. If you disagree, then that is up to you.
im pretty sure r=u
cuz wen zell gab rinoa da griever ring he copied... dat was prolly wat ulti used to sumon griever later...
da time compression things... if u understand it... ull kinda see dat r= u... but im not entirley sure
There's another argument for R=U that noone has mentioned yet. When Rinoa is posessed by Ultimecia a weird reaction occurs. This reaction never happens when ultimecia posess anyone else. Why? Because she is posessing herself, things get weird.
The most important argument for R=U tho is as rand says. This is a game. In the real world there are coincidences. Not in game worlds. In a game world everything that happens is the result of some guy actually adding it to the game. And people don't add things to games for no reason. Why did they put all these little hints in? Especially the "I want time to stop" "I want squalls gunblade to pierce my heart" "A sorceress needs a knight" things.
If you want to know the Truth...everything is here: http://arcade.ya.com/sirlaguna/opinion8.html
I hope you know something about spanish.
I believe the ultimecia = rinoa part sums up almost every used fact in this theory, however most of the arguments seem like plain speculations (specially the part concerning the aging of a sorceress).
Even though it's far for being an universal prove, it's pretty useful to know the important points of the theory.
BTW - the Ultimecia = Hyne theory is quite interesting.
"In Nomine Patris Et Filli Et Spiritu Sancti, Amen.
Ave Maria Gratia Plena Dominus Tecum Benedicta Tu In Mulieribus, Et Benedictus Fructus Ventris Tui Iesu.
Sancta Maria Mater Dei Ora Pro Nobis Pecatoribus Nunc Et In Hora Mortis Nostrae, Amen."
Way earlier in this discussion someone mentions you see Rinoas wings turn from white to black in one of the FMVs. Where exactly can I find it? And I have spotted the three slides of CG Ultimecia, Her nose doesnt look like Rinoas, but I do like the R=U theory, i read the link posted by someone with fuill in depth analysis, and I am persuaded. Maybe FFVIII was made in a way that if it were successful enough that square could use these holes and such to make a FFVIII-2. And if it didnt do well and decided not to make a part 2, they can just deny it all. Remember, we're all prolly playing FFX-2 now, who wouldve thought? Was there evidence in FFX to allow a sequal in comparison to FFVIII? And was there just enough or just a little to not create a part 2 incase FFX didnt do so well? And also maybe FFVIII is created in a way that the end is a beginnign and you just start all over playing again, and again, and again...
Dude, Ultima Weapon's sword is huge. Cloud's buster sword isn't that big, not by a long shot.
1 more .... SPOILERS !!! When =U= was ard disc 2 , she was trying to get Ellone ? Why the answer is (i tink ) =U= had gone crazy and wanted to experienced the past as she gad gone crazy after the time she had waited for Squall .. She had forgotten the past .. She had Griver which was a gf (which i tink was found not long after squall n the rest died (all normal ppl age ) ....And during the time she had waited she gone crazy but remembered the Ellone Machine and wanted to bring her to the future to feel the past ...( Dun scold me if im wrong )
Someone said somewhere in the end you can see Rinoas wings turn black like ultimecias. Where? I wanna see!
There are lots of very short clips in the ending FMV, some of them are quite odd, even disturbing. There's the image of Squall with no face, then a sequence where Seifer's, Rinoa's and Ultimecia's faces flash by, practically superimposed. Rinoa's amazing technicolour wings are probably a part of that sequence, which is shown right before Squall envisages Rinoa's space-helmet shattering.
yea, i checked that sevral times, i ripped the game in order to see, but still i saw nothing of rinoas black wings, although the other things they show is quite kewl. Their are lots of layered screens happening at once, i think i counted 4 at one point and you see ultimecias face, but still no wings. I was wondering if it were in some other part of the game, like maybe in the bubbles from time compression...
During hte ending FMV, Squall imagines a pair of white wings unfurling from Rinoa's back, just like they do during Angel Wing. Perhaps they turn black just before the end of that clip? I'm not sure, just a possibility.
Anyway, "Rinoa's wings turning black" isn't compelling proof that Rinoa and Ultimecia are the same person; after all, every Sorceress has some kind of "wings" or head-dress adorning her shoulders. It could merely be a symbol for what Squall and Rinoa discuss at the flower fields in disc three - the fact that Rinoa had become a Sorcerss, and therefore could be corrupted by her power and turn "evil" like others before - and after - herself.
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