Quifer . . .

[Rand Al'Tor]

I have to say I'm with the Seinoa Squistis coupling. (so Rinoa and Seifer, and Quistis and Squall) Both Rinoa and Seifer seem to have an open, challenging, playful, but occasionally stormy and hurtful temprament. If you'd match them together, they'd probably often fight, but between those times they'd probably both be rather...pasionnate. (good fights make for good make-up... *eyes moderators* for good make-up... Rinoa's mascarra will look great)

On the other hand, Squall and Quistis are both calm but pretty sensitive on the inside. Neither of them is likely to play games with each other, which is good as both would probably react badly at being toyed with. Their relation would probably be the kind people often wonder whether it exists, except when one of them was in danger or need.

Of course, that's not the way it ended. Squall and Rinoa ended up together. Quistis and Seifer relatively alone. But if those two would shack up, they'll both have problems I think, Seifer will hurt Quistis with his temper and challenging, and Quistis' bossiness and adherence to rules will probably come across betrayal to Seifer. But of course, all can be overcome with the power of 'lurv'.

same with Squall and Rinoa. Even after Squall's smile, Rinoa will probably have to get used of living with someone who keeps his emotions pretty private, and Squall is gonna have to learn to cope with Rinoa's whims and tempers. That CAN go wrong, that CAN go right. But once again, 'lurv' can prevail.

[Wightraven]

Rinoa's mascarra will look great

HA! That's beautiful. *applauds*

Anyway, all the reasons I am a subscriber to the Quifer theory are listed on page one of this thread.

And although you make some good points, relationships like Seifer and Rinoa don't always work out... one of my many ex girls acted quite a bit like Rinoa, I quite a bit like Seifer. It was those qualities that we shared with the characters in the game that led to our eventual downfall as a couple. And there was no good make-up anything.

Squall and Quistis wouldn't work well, either. Quisty is too no-nonsense to take all the crap of Squall's "oo, lookit me, I'm a brooding badass" attitude. She'd either whip it out of him (no pun intended) or they'd split up, too.

Squall and Rinoa isn't a bad pairing, as Rinoa has the kind of personality that can melt Squall's exterior and possibly bring out the inner him... make him more like Leon from KH... hmmm...

[Fuzakeru]

*Laughs* LockHeart1988 - *Shakes head* Just no . . . *Shudders* The notion of Norg and Quistis . . . eh, just no. *Blinks* How would they - *Shakes head again* I'll just stop right there and I'll let 'no' stand alone. ^_^-

I agree. Rinoa was quite disturbed after the announcement about Seifer. However, it didn't seem to take long for her to get over it . . . *Rolls eyes* . . . or maybe I'm just to blinded by my hatred to notice her grieving. ^^-

[Rand Al'Tor]

Hm, Rinoa could (and does indeed) melt some of Squall's outer defences. But she seems to me like she desires plenty more emotional outbursts then Squall would give under normal circumstances. Unless she's planning on getting in lifethreathening situations in a regular basis, Squall's 'coolness'may cause 'bad things' to happen. Especially since Squall is NOT able to deal with her trhowing a temper tantrum. He'd probably just stay quiet until she'd get so angry she'd accidentally hurt him, and Squall doesn't take well to hurting like that. Of course, Squall COULD melt, and Rinoa COULD be less demanding in manners of responses (the duty of being a Sorceress could very well cause some changes into her) but for the characters to remain as they are... (note that I speak with an utter lack of experience in all matters Romantic. )

[Big D]

[q=LadySteph]Rinoa was quite disturbed after the announcement about Seifer. However, it didn't seem to take long for her to get over it . . . *Rolls eyes* . . . or maybe I'm just to blinded by my hatred to notice her grieving. ^^-[/q]Rinoa is not without her strengths. She can overcome certain types of pain quite easily. Since her relationship with Seifer was over, his 'death' wasn't so troubling for her.

She'd spent a while fighting for Timber. She was prepared to kill, and prepared to die. That kind of thing would tend to harden one's heart a little.

[ShivaBlizzard8]

Originally posted by Rand Al'Tor
Of course, Squall COULD melt, and Rinoa COULD be less demanding in manners of responses (the duty of being a Sorceress could very well cause some changes into her) but for the characters to remain as they are...

Well, I agree that Squall and Rinoa probably wouldn't work out IF they had stayed the same as they were in the beginning of the game. However, I think that one of the main points of the story was about striving towards emotional maturity. A psycological "coming of age" story for all the characters, especially Squall.

Squall's coldness at the beginning of the game wasn't a given, as we are first led to believe, but the result of the pain and loss of his early childhood. Squall suffered a big loss through his dependency on Ellone, and as a result, attempted to avoid future hurt by shutting himself off from the world. However, as we see in some of Squall thoughts, he doesn't like the person he's become. He WANTS to be a social, caring person - its just been so long that he doesn't know how. He is drawn to Rinoa because she so easily displays the skills which he, despite all his training, lacks. So, its not really a question of IF Squall will melt, but how long it will take him to adjust to his new lifestyle.
As for Rinoa, one of her big lessons in the game is to guard her emotions a little more carefully and to act less implusively. Her failures in capturing the Deling president and beating Edea on her own were serious blows to her ego and did humble her a bit. Also, her reluctance to share her every thought seemed to dampen slightly as the game continued - she hid the fact she was a sorceress from Squall until confronted with her capture in Esthar, Squall had to seek her out and get her to talk at the flower field, etc. Finally, she began making descions which she felt benifited the group rather than herself - for instance, surrendering herself over to Esthar was arguably the right thing to do if she wanted to protect her friends. So Rinoa made less noticable moves towards responsibilty, as Squall made efforts to be more carefree. The adage that opposites attract, especially when one partner holds an aspect that the other wishes for themself, is quite true here.

[Celes]

ShivaBlizzard8, you definetly have a grasp on the final fantasy 8 characters! I agree with everything you said, especially about Quisis and Seifer, their similar controlling personalities, and how good of a couple they would be.

[Rinoas'_evil_twin]

It sounds like a real good idea but I think that after a week, one of them would have killed the other.;p

[alcatraz-ette]

yeah, quiefer definitely has a good chance. seifer would (over time) help quistis learn to have a bit of fun every once in a while; and quistis would help seifer learn to grow up (just a LITTLE bit).

oh, go to fanfiction.net if you want to read good quiefer fics, there's tons!

[Kenshin IV]

One of the biggest problems with Eight wasn't that it was a love story, but that it was a bad... horrible... terrible love story. Rinoa and Squall had no chemestry, and their romance was completely unbelievable. They meet, barely socialize throught the fist disc, and all of a sudden they're in love..... yeah, right.
What does this have to do with the topic you ask? Well, unlike Squall and Rinoa, Squall and Quistis did have chemestry. Their relationship actually had development..... up to a point. Then when Rinoa steps in Quistis says she "doesn't care," and we're supposed to believe that? Yeah, I don't think so.
Now, this was one of the major flaws with that amazingly flawed game, but not the only one. There were others, but that's for another topic.

[Big D]

I agree, Kenshin IV. There should've been a whole lot more emphasis on Quistis' role, I think. Real-life romantic situations are fraught with difficulty, pain, loss, heartbreak, uncertainty, confusion and doubt - for some of us, anyway. FFVIII kind of glossed over the negative side and just focussed on providing yet another 'perfect' fictional love story - which, as per usual, had very little in common with such situations in the real world.

[Kenshin IV]

Exactly. There was just no development in Squall and Rinoa's relationship at all. Like I said, they barely even talked to each other in the first disc. Then, for no apparent reason, they just suddenly fall head-over-heels for each other? I don't think so.

[Celes]

I agree, Kenshin, Rinoa and Squall didn't get along in the beginning and then all of a sudden they love each other. I didn't even think (at the beginning of the game) that they would get together at all! When you find out Quistis has a thing for Squall but he pretty much ignores her, it seems totally realistic. I expected the game to elaborate more on Quistis and her affection towards Squall. But, I guess Squall had built a wall around him, and didn't let anyone get close to him for so long, he needed someone bouncy and determined like Rinoa to break him out of his shell. I would have loved to see Quistis happy with someone, she deserves it.

[Mr. Graves]

Originally posted by Big D
I agree, Kenshin IV. There should've been a whole lot more emphasis on Quistis' role, I think.

There should've been more emphasis on not just her, but Selphie, Irvine, Zell and the other characters besides the main few. Some development on Ward and Kiros would've made Laguna interesting too, methinks, but made Square didn't want to make it into one of those "interactive movie" RPGs that seem to be popular these days. (The kind where half, nay, 65% of an RPG is watching cinematics, like FF10 or Xenosaga.) Even a little elaboration on those characters would've helped the game a great deal, I think.

Anyway, Quistis is one of those characters who, I think, isn't meant to have anyone. I don't think Seifer = Quistis would be a good match, but I dunno. If he didn't run off to Timber the day after she got demoted from her position.....oh well. What happened, happened.

The whole NORG = Quistis theory Hoot mentioned made me crack up. I needed that.

[Lena]

ShivaBlizzard rules!!!!! I totally agree with you.