*applauds* Excellent. I'm now a firm believer in the Quifer relationship. You definitely have a way with words.
*applauds* Excellent. I'm now a firm believer in the Quifer relationship. You definitely have a way with words.
Personally, I'm a firm believer in the Quorg relationship, whereby the only way Quistis made instructor was by sleeping with NORG.
That actually makes a lot more sense. Quistis wasn't instructer material. She said so herself. "lacks leadership qualities" or something like that.Originally posted by Hootenanny
Personally, I'm a firm believer in the Quorg relationship, whereby the only way Quistis made instructor was by sleeping with NORG.
She would have never passed the job application if it weren't for NORG...
Ack! Stop it! Mine virgin* eyes can't take the obscenity you doth post... eth!
*Wightraven's eyes are in no way, shape, or form, virgin. However, this "Quorg" nonsense sickens him, as Quistis isn't THAT type of girl.
I dont thing any girl is that kind of girl.
Quorg = EW
NORG? Ugh. Besides, Quistis didn't know he even existed!
And what is all this nonsense about Quistis not having the skills to be a good instructor? Quistis was made an instructor because she had all the tactical and intellectual faculties to be an amazing teacher. Her obvious talent and desire to please her superiors most likely made her sure-fire instructor material before she even became a SeeD.
Quistis' problem was that she was just too young. She was the youngest student in GARDEN to become a SeeD, and the youngest ever appointed as an instructor. As a result, she ended up being only slightly older (and in some cases, younger) than her students. Anyone who has tried teaching knows that it is almost impossible to hold authority over those who are your own age or older. Students have difficulty respecting a leader who has arguably less world experience than they do. Of course, since Quistis was the first to ever hold such a position at a young age, her superiors had no way of knowing how it would work out, which is probably why she was monitored closely. Therefore, it was too much talent which led to her downfall rather than a lack of it. Give her about 10 years and she'll probably be one of the best instructors at GARDEN.
*bows* Why thank you. Hopefully my Creative Writing major was the appropriate choice.Originally posted by Wightraven
You definitely have a way with words.
Um...are we under the assumption that Rinoa and Seifer actually had some sort of a boyfriend/girlfriend relationship here? From what I know, that never happened. I believe that Rinoa said she had a crush on him 'last summer' when she was 16, and that she 'never knew if he felt the same'. Just a brief point.
Anyway, moving on, yes, I do think Quifer would be very viable...but as ShivaBlizzard8 has brilliantly laid out most of the points I have little to add. I will try to contribute something here...
Okay, more feeble comparisions between Quistis and Seifer. First, let's notice that, besides Ellone, they are the other two older childeren of the orphanage group (the two 18-year-olds as of the game's time, whereas Ellone is somewhere in her twenties and the others are all 17)...interesting, no? Also, notice how everyone has a sort of 'role'...Squall is the *reluctant* leader, Selphie is the planner, Quistis is of course the teacher (the others had to learn from someone, right?) and also the 'caretaker' so to speak, Seifer is the one man 'disciplinary commitee' (we're talking about just the orphanage kids), and Zell and Irvine are the fighters, close and long range (I thought of this all a while ago and I knew I had something more for these two but it escapes me at the moment). Make of that what you will, just some more points...
And if I ever hear a serious conversation about Quorg I am going to go royally insane.
~Garnet129
Well, being that I'm a prevert (yes, PREvert) yes, I meant hentai. I prefer just calling it "H", though.
[q=Garnet129]Um...are we under the assumption that Rinoa and Seifer actually had some sort of a boyfriend/girlfriend relationship here? From what I know, that never happened. I believe that Rinoa said she had a crush on him 'last summer' when she was 16, and that she 'never knew if he felt the same'. Just a brief point.
[/q]Nope, they were definitely involved, for a while at least. She didn't say she never knew if he felt the same way; but at one point, early on, she wasn't entirely sure if she was completely over him. That's why she was so upset about the announcement of his impending (SPOILER)execution.
Just a side note... if any of you want to discuss hentai, use the PMs and not the forums. Any discussions on pornography will be shut down PDQ.
Rinoa didn't seem very upset to me when she heard the annoucement of Seifer being executed. It was like "OMG, Seifer's dead. I think i was in love with him. Oh well, I guess I'll chase after Squall now."
I like the whole "Quifer" thing! They're perfect for each other when you think about it. But the Quorg sounds believable too...
**reads LadySteph's Quorg fic**
*resists the urge to defend himself concerning you-know-what*
As casually as I played through FFVIII ONCE (as it was loathesome) I picked up that Seifer and Rinoa had a little something going on before the whole game, though if it WAS something it was probably just highschool stuff...
... unlike all the other relationships in the game, of course. *shakes head at the game's juvenility... and makes up a new word*
I love the idea of the whols "Quifer". Seifer and Quistis ROCK. Squall was very wussy anyway. When Squall and Seifer had the fight at the beginning of the game, who was the one who mooched in the infirmary and walked round with a huge bandage on his head? It wasn't Seifer that's for sure!
Give me the oblivion that is darkness
Lest I should see
The light which is
Truth.
I agree - too much is alluded to in the game to pass off Seifer and Rinoa's relationship as anything less than romantic. It is most likely that they had a summer fling and parted amiably - therefore, during the game, there was still unresolved feelings between the two to them.Originally posted by Big D
Nope, they were definitely involved, for a while at least. She didn't say she never knew if he felt the same way; but at one point, early on, she wasn't entirely sure if she was completely over him.
Actually, Rinoa doesn't take it particularly well. When Squall's says that Seifer is dead, Rinoa relpies:Originally posted byLockHeart1988
Rinoa didn't seem very upset to me when she heard the annoucement of Seifer being executed. It was like "OMG, Seifer's dead. I think i was in love with him. Oh well, I guess I'll chase after Squall now."
"How can you be so casual? He sacrificed himself for the Forest Owls..."
And when Selphie asks: "Do you still like him?"
Rinoa replies:
"If I didn't, I wouldn't be talking about it. It was last summer...I was 16. Lots of fond memories..."
She also defends his character constantly, like here: "I think...he came to help us - The Forrest Owls. . . I talked about it a lot with him. So please...don't think too badly of him."
I don't get the impression that she is still in love with him, but she still considers Seifer her friend, and she really wants her new friends (including Squall) to accept him as part of her past. And besides, she didn't seriously begin to persue Squall until later in the game - Disc Two, really. I mean, come on, she ditches Squall on the dance floor to go meet up with Seifer.
However, I often argue that during the game, Seifer is still in love with her. It is widely assumed that her connection to Seifer is what got her the meeting with Cid (and thus her prescence at the ball) to have GARDEN aid her resistance group, The Forrest Owls. Seifer obviously pulled some strings for her here, since it is stated that Cid was helping her as a favor since her group couldn't afford to hire SeeDs normally.
Although Seifer would never admit his feelings for her in front of others (in keeping with his tough guy image), he still has a soft spot for her which is often apparent. For example, when he comes after the city leader on disc one, the way he acts towards Rinoa gets Zell's attention:
Zell: "I get it! You're Rinoa's..."
Seifer: "Shut your damn mouth! You chicken!"
I think it is safe to say what Zell was about to say was "boyfriend."
By disc two, when Rinoa's feelings for Squall have strengthened, and overtaken her feelings for Seifer, Seifer begins to show jealousy. In the battle against him at the end of the disc, he gets upset that Rinoa is standing against him with Squall, and says something like:
"Rinoa, what are you doing here? You're gonna fight me, too? Come on, remember a year ago we..."
Rinoa, obviously distraught, interupts him saying, "Stop it!"
He obviously feels betrayed by someone he loved. This sense of betrayal justifies Selfer's violence toward Rinoa later in the game, during the confrontation with Adel. Why would he suddenly hate her so much? Perhaps because by this point, she is pretty much "with" his ultimate rival and his jealousy knows no bounds? Wars have been fought over less. His additude becomes almost, "If I can't have her, no one will." Yeah, there was def. more to them than casual friendship.
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