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    For those of you who haven't read RazorHeart215's LOVELY little goodbye thread (which had to remain closed because leaving threads aren't allowed ), we've had a little incident lately, in which members contacted the staff (One contacted BoB, and the other contacted me) regarding a problem they had with other users in the Private Messaging system.

    First of all, I think that people are getting the wrong idea of the purpose of the staff here. We are the police--we're not mom and dad, and it's not always appropriate for us to get involved.

    Now, this involved Private Messages. Notice the Private. Where there's a reasonable expectation of privacy, I feel constrained to respect that. In this case, both parties allowed the staff to see the messages in question, so warnings were issued to both parties due to their conduct.

    Ultimately, though, what goes on in PMs is none of our business. I personally don't care if amenable members are swapping porn in PMs, as long as both parties are OK with it. The board has an ignore feature, and if somebody is harassing you via PM, then you can simply ignore them.

    There are exceptions of course--but they're logical ones. If somebody threatens you over PM, and you have reason to believe it's serious, I'd appreciate notice, so that I can keep an eye on that person (I can't take action unless that person agrees to let me view their PMs, but I'd still like to be aware of potential problems in advance). You should also notify the police, because uttering threats is a felony in most countries. The staff will, of course, cooperate with police in such a matter. Professional courtesy, you see

    Another one is if staff are involved. Since users cannot ignore staffers, we must be held to a higher standard of behavior. If a moderator is needlessy rude or abusive, you *should* go over their head. As long as I'm an administrator, I will not put anyone on my ignore list, so you can come to me any time. (If I'm the problem, talk to Shlup) If all 3 admins are the problem, I suppose you'd have to go to Sean, but I haven't discussed this with him at this point, so my advice would be to keep on notifying moderators until somebody DOES resolve the issue.

    If there are any questions, comments, or suggestions on anybody's part, I'd appreciate the feedback.

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    *puts everyone on ignore list*

    Problem solved.

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    I've never had any problems, but I want to say this:

    I am very pleased and impressed with these forums. The amount of care that admins and mods show is absolutely unbelievable for me.

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    Originally posted by Hootenanny
    *puts everyone on ignore list*

    Problem solved.
    That'd make it hard for you to read threads, since I believe ignoring PMs also hides their posts by default
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    Originally posted by Hootenanny
    *puts everyone on ignore list*

    Problem solved.
    Nice work, now you can't see anyone's posts but your own! So you can't even see this, neat.

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    My views on this issue are pretty much the same as Bleys'. Private messages are private. If the sender/reciever want to share that is their business. Staff shouldn't have to get involved in any of that.
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    It's also possible to turn private messaging clear off, which I've done before, briefly.

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    Question if somebody eggs you on through PM just to get on your case and wont stop if you ask them should I tell a mod?

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    No, you should block them.

    I'll deal with PM-related disputes if both parties agree to let me read the PMs, but unless there's a good reason for it, I'll be REALLY REALLY CRANKY about it.

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    even if you don't block someone's PMs you can always just not read them.

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    Originally posted by Hootenanny
    *puts everyone on ignore list*

    Problem solved.
    That's the best post I've read all day. xD
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    I would say just blocking the member is a dumb idea. Just because they might be a jerk to you doesn't mean they don't have good advice from time to time for one's eyes to view on the forum. Can't you split the block to only PMs?

    It doesn't matter to me because I don't get PMs from people and if I do it takes me forever to reply. Although I have a feeling that Eyes on YOU is about to make a comeback soon. OOOOOH SO SOON!

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    I like it when people PM me with crap. It gives me a special feeling inside when I delete it.

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    I agree with Ed that it's a silly idea to block people because threads won't always make sense after that.

    What are we actually meant to be discussing though? It seems pretty clear what the policy is unless your expecting us to demand that you act as mom and dad.

    I think maybe there should be a rule that after a certain number of posts is exceeded that you can't simply not read them without being inconvienienced that a mod should be involved. Like after X amount of posts unprovoked then a member can go to a mod and complain.

    I say what I think. If you disagree, then that is up to you.

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    I agree that what goes on in PMs isn't anyone's business. Not sure what the problem is. If two people can't stand each other, they shouldn't talk to each other. It's not hard to stop PMing someone rudely, or to ignore PMs you get from someone rude.

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    If you put someone on your ignore list, their posts still show up in the threads, but as links. It's been a long time since I've ignored anyone on ANY vBulletin, but I think it says the poster's name, and then a link that says "click here to read this post"

    Of course, that was what it said at FG (I used to have Sugpo blocked there before he was staff), and we all know that Aaron doesn't hack his board at all, so it's always a good indication of the way it works elsewhere. But still, the basic functionality should be pretty near identical.

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