You know that sick dude..... SPOILERS!

[Evil_Cloud]

I've played FF7 like a million times but every time i play something always makes me think. when ur in the slums near Aeris' house and she shows u the sick dude, i remember in the dialogue she said he had a numbered tattoo, which lead me to believe he was a Sephiroth clone, sure enough after the reunion he was gone, but did he serve a purpose in the game? i've read somewhere that if u use a gameshark and get a few items he tells u he is a Seph clone and joins ur party, and he actually becomes Sephiroth for ur party. I find this to be major bs. how bout u?

hmm....just realized this is a pretty dumb topic, but hey, something to talk about, hehe.

[Big D]

Rumours abound about the man in the pipe, the 'guy who are sick'.

i've read somewhere that if u use a gameshark and get a few items he tells u he is a Seph clone and joins ur party, and he actually becomes Sephiroth for ur party. I find this to be major bs. how bout u?

I'd call it Major-General BS, or even Field-Marshal BS. It simply isn't true, as far as any reliable source knows.

The guy sure seems to be a Sephiroth clone, what with his diminishing consciousness but evidently great power - notice the trophies in his home? He probably just shuffled off to the Reunion (like one of the slum residents says) and got killed by Sephiroth/Jenova.

Some conspiracy theorists say that he was actually Zack, but then the men in white coats come along and give them their injections.

Oh, this thread already contains some heavy-duty spoilers, so I'm going to rename it slightly.

[Evil_Cloud]

lol, np

[MJN SEIFER]

I read somewere that square was oing to let you revive Aeris but decided not to because it would mess up the plot but what you had to do was go there before the reunion and stop the man from leaving when he snaps out if it he says he is an Ancient! and knew a way to restor Aeris or something that's just a rumor tough!

[PhoenixAsh]

That's not that huge BS. It's a handful of true stuff given a false story.

The man in the pipe is almost certainly a clone (refuses to give Sephiroth credit).
Using a Gameshark you CAN get Sephiroth in your party.
The two are in no way connected to my knowledge. Though I don't own a Gameshark.

[Numisma]

stupid question but...

when using a GameShark to get Sephiroth in your party, well, what i heard is that he takes the place of one of your other characters, but, what kind of limit breaks does he have, then? and what are his stats like? will they be the same as the character he replaces, or.....

*scratches head*

[ZeZipster]

Gameshark can't do every thing. In fact it can do less then the debug room in FF7. Here's all the possible characters you could have in your party:

00 - Cloud Strife
01 - Barett Wallace
02 - Tifa Rockheart
03 - Aerith Gainsborough
04 - Red 13
05 - Yuffie Kisaragi
06 - Cait Sith (Sometimes, Young Cloud)
07 - Vincent Valentine (Sometimes, Sephiroth)
08 - Cid Hiwind
09 - (Young Cloud)
0A - (Sephiroth)
0B - (Chocobo)
0C - ('Nau Purintingu'-Now Printing)
0D - ('Nau Purintingu'-Now Printing)
FF - Nobody

That's it. That is all the people you could ever have in your party unless you have an edited version of FF7. Gameshark can't create characters.

[Wightraven]

Last I checked getting Sephi was a confusing affair. When you do get him, he is exactly as he was in the flashback.

And that Aeris thing sounds like BS to me, though for some reason she does have lines programmed into the game after her death. I believe the response I got when asking why at the FFOnline forums is that Square started programming the game from the middle, and hadn't worked in where Aeris would die yet or summat like that.

I'm sure if I'm wrong someone more enlightened will tell me.

[PhoenixAsh]

It sounds pretty unlikely to me that they got as far as scripting scenes and hadn't actually decided where she dies. I can't even think of a way that would let you do that with the exception of maybe a handful of very unimportant scenes.

I know nothing about programming though so I don't know.

[Wightraven]

Well, whatever the case, it IS true. Seen it with me own two peepers, I did. The only line I saw, though, was after the crash into the snow. She has something trivial to say, I don't remember exactly what, but she's got animations there and errthang.

[chocoboy]

Sephiroth from the gameshark is the same Sephiroth from Clouds story.

Apparenty, Square HAD intended for Aeris/rith to be ressurected. But they had to rush parts for release dates etc.

ZeZipster, where is the debug room? please.

[Meow]

Actually, word is that one of the people working on FF7 decided, very near its completion, to change the plot around: instead of Aeris being the main love interest, she would die relatively early on, and Tifa would become the main chicka. They Scripted stuff for Aeris after her death because, through most of the production, people figured she'd be alive. i don't know if that's true, but at least it's not the kind of story that goes something like:

'If you beat the game in under ten hours with Sephiroth in your party and 200 supergolden chocobos, Aeris comes down from the heavens and unloads ten barrels of whoop-ass on the poor ...!!!"

Anyway, it's the only 'extra script' explanation that i've heard, and it makes enough sense to me.

[BoyFromBalamb]

Yeah, he seems to be a Sephiroth clone.

[darkchrono]

if they were very near the end of production when they made that decision. Wouldn't that mean that they would have had to scrap half the story that they already had done and start from scratch.

I don't know, maybe it is just me, but I don't think they would have done that.

I figure the way they make video games is they have all the meetings and everything about plot and all before they actually start making the game. And when the story is all written down and set in stone it is sent off to another department never to be rewritten again.

I think that would call for utter confusion and ruination of the game if they had to send the product back to the story department to rewrite half the game and throw in the trash what has been done already.

[Wightraven]

I think that would call for utter confusion and ruination of the game if they had to send the product back to the story department to rewrite half the game and throw in the trash what has been done already.

Right. So, have you played a different FF7 than me, or did the fact that you're better than everyone allow you not to see the utter ruin (no, ruination isn't a word) that is the translation, semblance of plot, sensical character development and overall logistics of the game?