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Thread: Logic + FFVIII = Error. (Concerning Irvine's gun)

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    Originally posted by Rand Al'Tor
    Hmm, I think applying logic to this is indeed going too far. After all, how do you explain that Irvine shoots harder when he gets stronger. It's not like he's throwing the bullets is he?
    I think the title of the strength attribute might be a little misleading here... rather than physical strength, let's think of it as combat strength (attacking ability, perhaps)... let me explain...

    With your sword-swingers, you could argue that strength is strength. The more people they swing their sword at, the more their muscles grow. Simple.

    However, the more times they swing their sword, the more they know what part of an enemy is a good part to strike, and how they should swing in order to connect to that point...

    Rather than just growing stronger muscles, they are training their minds to make attacks that are effectively strongly.

    With a ranged weapon like Rinoa's, it could be a similar thing as strength is involved in the weapon (I believe). However, with her, it would probably be more learning how to aim and fire well than actually increasing physical strength.

    Now, with Irvine, we ignore physical strength completely. Why would Irvine get stronger by firing his shotgun anyway? I think in this case it could represent solely the growth of his skills with a shotgun...

    For the strength of a weapon, a blade might be considered stronger if it were sharper, lighter (so easier to swing accurately), or the blade was of a special design, e.g. serated. Gloves too might be made sharper and have special blade design (if they have blades at all), or they might be designed to reduce the impact of a person's face on the user's fist and arms...

    For guns, we are probably looking at a design that harnesses the explosion (required to propel a bullet) more efficiently, as well as a design that increases accuracy.

    So, depending how literally you take "Strength", it may or may not make sense... I'd like to add that of course what has been said about Irvine's shotgun also largely applies to Squall's gun-trigger (is that the right name?) When Squall gains strength, the effectiveness of both his blade- and gun-components rises...

    Although I do love thinking about this topic, I think a more important question is how do these peope remain standing after being shot, sliced or impaled?!

    (FF7/8)(SPOILER)Okay, so some people survive being impaled by several spikes, whilst other can't even take a single sword through them... How's that fair?!

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    dude... its juss a game... if ur lookin at da errors... den look at dis: how does squall nd da others hold 100 potions???? plus 100 elixers... plus 100 ethers... u get my point....dey dun hab a backpack or nethin.... !!! also...how come squall doesnt run out of bullets in his gunblade?? see... juss a game... b4 square fixes irvine's gun error... dey should fix dese first...

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    I was going to come in here and be mean to you, but I decided against it (as I kind of like hanging around here, as opposed to being banned). So instead, I shall explain.

    Whereas the phenomena of the characters storing tankloads of items in seemingly netherspace is a given (most RPGs have this phenomena so that you, the gamer, don't have to go back and forth to shops to buy stupid crap, or keep it in boxes like Resident Evil, which lowers the annoyance factor), something such as the mechanics of Irvine's weapon is an element that is more often explained than ignored, or just taken for granted.

    ... and yes, I realize it's just a game, but dammit, I'm just a gamer. Let me ask my questions.

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    Squall uses a gunblade, and you're talking about Irvine's gun.

    ...right. Anyway, I gathered that it being a different world and all, they'd just created a gun that could be used to that effect. Oh, and as for this bit:
    ... now, correct me if I'm wrong, but shotguns are crap for long-range
    I'd say that when you're twenty feet away from your opponent, a shotgun would make a rather nice amount of damage to him/her/it.
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    True, but that's about where it stops, whereas a true sniper rifle has the capacity to go 200yds. or more.

    That's a bit beside the point now, as I've been told he used a sniper rifle in that scene anyway.

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    The whole game is an error.

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    :rolleyes2

    So... you're basically just passing by this forum to say you don't like Final Fantasy, COMPLETELY loose from the topic? Wish I had as much time as that.
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    OMG U PHOUND ME OUT!!!1 U R SO SMRT I WNT 2 B JUZT LIK U LMAO!!!!!!1!!!1!1111!1

    By the way, I think the word you're looking for is "lose."

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    OOC:No more off topic posts, and no more sarcasm from either of you two, please. *grumpy face*

    Now, back on topic...
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    urm, this may sound stupid but it may be a magic gun as they are in a world of Magic and it is a limit break, if I have repeated what someone said then sorry but it seems to make more sense that way. So maybe it was not an error after all?
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    Who cares? What's so cool about Final Fantasy is that it doesn't need to be realistic or logical. Irvine's gun is cool, simple as that.
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    you call people having tails(Zidane) or FFIX spoilerhaving kids while 9(Vivi) normal?

    Edit by Big D: Please cover your spoilers in future, so that FFIX's ending won't be spoiled for anyone who hasn't played it yet .


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