What`s odd is that Squall wasn`t visible during the last camcorder FMV. At the end of that camcorder FMV; you only see Angelo sitting and then Rinoa pointing at the star and staring at invisible Squall (but he was supposed to be behind the ceiling). After that FMV, Rinoa repeated pointing at the star and then Squall shows up.
Originally Posted by Serapy
I don't think he would have been in view as there was a wall there (I'll have to check to be sure) - of course if he had been seen then it would have given away the ending.
Squall is not invisible! All you can see is Rinoa because there is a PILLAR blocking anything on the right of her. And Squall not being at the party is not exactly strange. He is still a loner-type guy, just not as bad. And, why would they be having a PARTY if their leader had just died? And if, for some strange reason, they were in fact having a party, why were all of Squall's friends
a) at the party
b) happy.
Especially RINOA! So, unless Squall's friends all secretly hated him, and Rinoa was only dating him because she was paid good money, it would be highly, massively, extremely, excessively unusual for them to be having a party so soon after he died.
Simply, After the team defeated Ulti they went back into time compression, the rest of the team got back ok but squall fell into a time loop and went back to the time when Edea recieved her powers from Ulti.
Squall then tells Edea that he is a SeeD which was her idea and SeeD defeat the sorceress.
This is where Edea gets the idea of SeeD and SeeD fighting sorceress. She tells Cid and he becomes obsessed and starts the school.
And as for squall being dead... Rinoa used a phoenix down
The idea is that the last camcorder FMV only contained visible images of Selphie, Quistis, Irvine, Cid, Matron, Zell, Aneglo and Rinoa which all were used a lot in the story. Squall too but he, being the main character, wasn't visible in the FMV as he's supposed to be behind the ceiling. I think that Squall should have been in that FMV more often ...
It's just strange because he obviously fainted before the FMV ... that got new players thinking "Oh, so he's dead?" ... after that, when they viewed the last camcorder FMV, they would say "Hmm... Squall isn't there, so he must be ... ??". Then Squall finally showed up in the very final FMV. I remember when I first played the game, it gave me a relief knowing that Squall didn't actually die.
I think Square intentionally did that. Just like what they did to the Edea incident -- new players say "So Edea is the bad guy?" -- later in the game -- they would say "Ahh, so that was Ultimecia after all ... "
the 'Squall fainting' event cannot be proven as we weren't given information about what exactly happened after the event -- prior to the party camcorder FMV. I noticed that Selphie waved at Angelo as the dog was running to sit down and started watching Rinoa.
Remember at Balamb Garden, your job was to look for Cid, you go to the car park, you saw Cid -- it wasn't actually himself -- it was just a cloning(ghost) device. Maybe Rinoa used this device at the end of the game to represent Squall to give the whole story a happy ending -- expressing her love in the memory of Squall.
Last edited by Serapy; 12-07-2008 at 02:51 PM.
The guy is a loner. He doesn't like parties. So, no, it's not that strange.
EDIT: At the first ball, where he meets Rinoa, he is found by Quistis at the exact same balcony. So, it really is unsurprising.
Story-wise, it shows how much Squall had transformed. Before he knew Rinoa, he sat at that balcony by himself, being most depressed. At the end, he was at that balcony, happy, and with the girl that he loves. How romantic...
Firstly, that would be creepy & strange & weird. Who does that?
Secondly, when she kisses Squall, she leans into him - hence he must be solid to support her.
Basically, the clearest sign that Squall is definitely there is in how the video ends. Why would Selphie be creeping up to that balcony to record something if she didn't think Squall was there and that something was going to happen?
In my theory - I actually thought Squall was "dead" but only enough so he could be revived, if you get what I mean - sort of like how in real life when someone drowns they are already "dead" but can be revived - I don't understand it fully myself.
Actually Squall is dead. Squall you see during ending is just Irvine dressed as Squall so he can score Rinoa.
Its is strange since Irvine could get Selphie and Rinoa ( and Quistis) same time but on the other hand he is also know as Pervine.
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I think time compressed and left the old "demension" in ruin. This explains why Seifer is back alive and fishing, and Squall in Kingdom Hearts (Leon) was said that the world he came from was left in darkness. So Ulti really succeded in her plans, right?
Perhaps there were two endings forced into one...
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If he actually didn`t like parties, then he wouldn`t be in the party FMV in the beginning of the game. Also, he was clearly visible in most of the FMVs prior to this one. Which is strange.The guy is a loner. He doesn't like parties. So, no, it's not that strange.
Rinoa using the device to express the memory of Squall is romantic either.EDIT: At the first ball, where he meets Rinoa, he is found by Quistis at the exact same balcony. So, it really is unsurprising.
Story-wise, it shows how much Squall had transformed. Before he knew Rinoa, he sat at that balcony by himself, being most depressed. At the end, he was at that balcony, happy, and with the girl that he loves. How romantic...
SquareSoft, duh.
You can tell that just by looking at pixel? No, that`s impossible unless you're a designer of the FF8`s team. If they made FF8 more exicting in terms of hard core plot, chances are that they have made things more subtle.
No, it`s to show you that the story is getting repeated when you start over again.
Actually, no. Selphie saw Angelo running down to the balcony in the first place, and then she saw Rinoa. That`s when she started recording. Why wouldn`t you record when your friend`s dog was going to greet him in a public place?
As far as I'm aware, in Liberi Fatali, there is no party. If you mean the SeeD graduation ball - it is the SeeD graduation ball. He is obliged to go there. And, if you recall, after the dancing FMV with Rinoa, he goes and stands outside at the same balcony. Oh wait, I mention it in the point you quote next - pity you chose not to address it then.If he actually didn`t like parties, then he wouldn`t be in the party FMV in the beginning of the game. Also, he was clearly visible in most of the FMVs prior to this one. Which is strange.The guy is a loner. He doesn't like parties. So, no, it's not that strange.
No, not romantic. Sick and disturbed more likely.
I just watched the final video now. And in it, Squall clearly pulls Rinoa by the hand to kiss her. So, if Rinoa is being pulled, that means some force is being applied on her hand. And this means that it can not be a hologram.SquareSoft, duh.
You can tell that just by looking at pixel? No, that`s impossible unless you're a designer of the FF8`s team. If they made FF8 more exicting in terms of hard core plot, chances are that they have made things more subtle.
Seeing that this was part of a larger point of mine (continued below), I will address this there.No, it`s to show you that the story is getting repeated when you start over again.
I think, if one reads the last sentence clearly, this is a disproof of your own argument. But anyway, I just watched the final video. Before the video cuts, Selphie is gesticulating wildly at the camera-holder (presumably Irvine) to go and shoot what's happening on the balcony. So, unless Selphie wants the entire world to know about Rinoa's strange holographic fantasies (and seeing that she's a friend of Rinoa's, one should discount this possibility), one has to conclude that Squall is on the balcony with her, and Selphie wants to get them kissing on video.Actually, no. Selphie saw Angelo running down to the balcony in the first place, and then she saw Rinoa. That`s when she started recording. Why wouldn`t you record when your friend`s dog was going to greet him in a public place?
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Squall was usually visible in most of the FMVs of the entire game. He wasn`t visible in the second-final FMV, which is my point.As far as I'm aware, in Liberi Fatali, there is no party. If you mean the SeeD graduation ball - it is the SeeD graduation ball. He is obliged to go there. And, if you recall, after the dancing FMV with Rinoa, he goes and stands outside at the same balcony. Oh wait, I mention it in the point you quote next - pity you chose not to address it then.If he actually didn`t like parties, then he wouldn`t be in the party FMV in the beginning of the game. Also, he was clearly visible in most of the FMVs prior to this one. Which is strange.The guy is a loner. He doesn't like parties. So, no, it's not that strange.
If Squall was obliged to attend the ball party, then would you claim that he was also obliged to attend the Ultimecia`s desertion party at the end of the game? If this is the case, then there`s no reason for Squall to become invisible in the camcorder FMV.
You have to consider that Squall adapted himself during the whole game. He was a bit more emo in the beginning, but later in the game, he`s better.
*Rinoa casts the clone device and transforms it into Squall*No, not romantic. Sick and disturbed more likely.
*They greet with each other, both looking happy more than before*
*She casts the finger sign symbolism, and then hugging with each other , this is like a goodbye*
*the game ends*
Hmm, I wouldn`t call that sick and disturbing. It just shows that she missed Squall dearly.
You don`t get my point, again. FF8 is a non-reality game (pixel), that`s why it`s impossible to prove whether was Squall real or not at the end of the game (also due to the fact not enough information were given). This gave SquareSoft the huge advantage to trick us!I just watched the final video now. And in it, Squall clearly pulls Rinoa by the hand to kiss her. So, if Rinoa is being pulled, that means some force is being applied on her hand. And this means that it can not be a hologram.SquareSoft, duh.
You can tell that just by looking at pixel? No, that`s impossible unless you're a designer of the FF8`s team. If they made FF8 more exicting in terms of hard core plot, chances are that they have made things more subtle.
Um, how was it a disproof? I used the "Why wouldn`t you record when your [...]" as an example to show that Selphie obviously had an incentive to tell the camera man to record the incident.Seeing that this was part of a larger point of mine (continued below), I will address this there.No, it`s to show you that the story is getting repeated when you start over again.
I think, if one reads the last sentence clearly, this is a disproof of your own argument.Actually, no. Selphie saw Angelo running down to the balcony in the first place, and then she saw Rinoa. That`s when she started recording. Why wouldn`t you record when your friend`s dog was going to greet him in a public place?
No, no, no.
I have to say, Serapy is a much better troll than Future Esthar.
You're starting to resemble this serapy:
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