I'm so glad you added that...

Fantasy to me (and according to BuffaloFantasy, the dictionary) means "imaginary". It's probably through various fantasy role-playing games (naming none in particular) that fantasy is associated with dragons, magic, swords etc...

To say that machines are non-fantasy is a bit weird. One could easily say that humans (or even living creatures) are not fantasy.

Swords are not fantasy.

These things exist in the real world.

In fact, one could argue that the machines, the "un-fantasy" portion that you wanted removed are even more of a fantasy than the swords and creatures...

Swords exist, creatures of much diversity exist. But much of the technology in FF is far from what exists on our planet.

BuffaloFantasy: I know you retracted your statement, I'm not trying to argue with you. I'm merely trying to explain my viewpoint. That is as follows...

The machines of the FF interest me probably more than things like swords or strange creatures, etc... although they are technology, they are far removed from what we use in the real world. These to me show some interesting fantastical (?) conversions of modern technology. In fact, the marriage between magic and machine (particularly in 7) was VERY ppealing to me.

I'm not saying there should be more machines, but I'm definitely not saying there should be less either!

On a side-note, does it seem like they tried to remove machines from 10? The whole thing about Yevon banning machina may have caused a lower level of mechanisation compared to earlier FFs, or perhaps it may have been used as the result... Though I believe the former.

That said, I like the point about some machina being okay (I can't remember for certain, but would the stadium at Luca required a lot of technology?)

A classical example of the hypocracy of religions...