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    Did anyone else notice that they suck? The writing forum has sucked for a good long time. The art forum used to be OK, but it's been sucking more and more lately. Almost no one posts in either of them any longer. And I've never seen so many threads with 0 posts than the travesty that is the poetry sub-forum. It's a real shame.

    I think art and writing discussion used to be good back when they were all in one forum. Art discussion generally dominated the forum (which is why we split writing off into its own forum, I think, I don't really remember), but every once in a while some writing thread would pop up, or a nice book discussion, and it'd get plenty of posts. I think it was good because people who liked art would browse the forum, and say "Oh look, a writing thread" or "oh look, someone wrote a poem", and people would talk about it. And people who liked writing would browse the forum, and happen to see an art thread, and post. Whereas now, only people who are VERY interested in writing go in the writing forum, and people who are VERY interested in art go in the art forum, and there aren't many of those people here, so things are stagnant. If they were one forum, people who were vaguely interested in either of those would at least be in the forum and there'd be a better chance of people posting.

    "So", you ask, "why don't you just post more in the writing forum yourself, you ugly dork?" Well, I absolutely love reading and occassionally writing, but I never go into the writing forum, because I know any thread made in the writing forum would die a horrible death of starvation, because no one would read it. Because no one goes in there. I think plenty of people at the MB are interested in such things, but the forums themselves and their atmosphere (or lack thereof) are holding things back. I do post in the art forum sometimes, but even then, threads don't get nearly the number of replies they used to.

    As a minor point, I HATE having signatures having their own threads in the art forum. I'd love to see that disallowed, or confined to one huge sticky thread. There's a sticky thread to request someone to make you a sig, but people still make threads to show off sigs they've made, or web page banners, or stuff like that. I think it degrades the quality of art in the forum. That's an entirely subjective opinion on my part though, I'll admit. But some text and lens flares slapped onto a sprite or anime graphic you stole from some other site online isn't art in my book.

    So I think we need to trick people into posting more, so to speak. I think the art, writing, and poetry forums should be combined into one. And I don't think sig threads would fit into such a huge and hopefully busy forum, so I'd love to see those zapped. We've tried things to make the forums better in the past, but usually the staff is too apathetic to pull anything off, and I can't blame them. I think the forums themselves are the problem. Combining the forums won't take any protracted effort on the part of the staff. It would also make it easier to moderate them. And the resulting greater staff presence could help keep things alive in there even more. Combine them and give it a nice name, that's my suggestion. What was the old name for the forum when they were one forum? I can't remember it, but it was a good name.

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    I agree. I love the poetry subforum, but NOBODY ever posts there, and it being so isolated makes it very dead. You really have to know the poetry subforum is there and want to post in order to end up in it. It's a shame, too. poetry and writing shouldn't be separate, and art would be ok to merge if there weren't those "signature threads". One creativity forum would be nice.

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    I've definitely noticed the poor state of the Poetry Forum. It makes me sad. Not that I help it or anything... it's the only one I really browse through, though. But while I've noticed the decline in posts, I choose to be neutral on what's done about it, at least for now. I'm happy for it to go either way - so long as I don't have to spend hours going through the whole damned forum splitting Art from Writing and Poetry from Fanfics should people want to split it up again, I don't mind.
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    I don't partiularly think we should merge them back together again, yet. Especially with all the crappy "art" threads about, they're gonna cause the problem of before of the long story threads being drowned out again

    Perhaps take poetry out of the writing forum so it's no longer a subforum? Problem is that'd make a dead forum in the top level, which we don't really want, even if it's more visible. Alternately, maybe a creativity forum, with the other 3 current ones as direct subforums, so they all appear more equally, although some people won't like the extra clicking involved to navigate

    But some text and lens flares slapped onto a sprite or anime graphic you stole from some other site online isn't art in my book.
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    the poetry forum wouldn't be as dead if it weren't shoved off in a corner.

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    Especially with all the crappy "art" threads about, they're gonna cause the problem of before of the long story threads being drowned out again --crono_logical

    The oldest thread on the first page of the writing forum is currently from July 7. You can either have story threads "drowned out", or you can leave them on the front page of a dead forum to rot, which is the current situation. They don't get "drowned out" as it stands now, but they STILL get no posts. Obviously keeping them in their own forum doesn't make them work any better. What's the harm in letting them be buried by art threads? At least a few people would see them before they were buried. Who sees them now?

    The oldest thread on the first page of the art forum is August 25. At least 6 of those are sig threads, threads about web banners, or threads about digitally "playing" with an official artwork. If you dumped that stuff into the Help Forum, which is where it used to go a long long time ago, and where people still often instinctively create threads about sigs, it'd make even more room for writing / reading threads.

    The purpose of splitting writing into its own forum was to attempt to artificially generate traffic for threads people didn't want to post in and were thus buried under threads people did like. The cost is that the few writing/reading threads that WOULD'VE been popular are also killed off along with the rest of the unpopular ones.

    Three subforums of a main forum would be just as bad as if not worse than the current situation, in my opinion. You'd just be killing off the art forum too, granting it the same second-class seclusion as the poetry forum. Subforum = bad.

    I draw your attention to the Lounge. Many threads in there are unpopular, and are buried very quickly. Look how many threads have 0-2 posts. Yet we don't split off a new forum called "Unpopular music" and attempt to save them. Let the unpopular writing threads be buried under art. Anything is better than the current situation. It's worth potentially burying a few unpopular writing / reading threads to save the ones that could be good enough to discuss. And I still argue that with more people being forced to read writing/reading threads (if they're in a forum together with something more popular, i.e. art), less threads will be buried as a result.

    BoB, as I said, this takes no work. Merging three forums takes about a minute. I'd even be in favor of archiving the current forums and creating a new empty forum to get a clean start, instead of throwing all the current dead threads into one huge forum, so it'd be easier to undo if you ever decided to in the future. But we went a long long time with art, writing and poetry all together, and it might not've been ideal, but it DID have plenty of traffic being generated and a whole lot of popular threads with tons of posts.

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    i like the poetry forum, and sometimes even post stuff there; it definitely saddens me to see so little come of that small corner of the board. i think the question here is about traffic vs. organization, and to be honest i'm not too partial to either. On the one hand, it's nice to have the forums neatly divided, so i know i can go to one spot and only find one brand of creativity. But on the other hand, it really kills the turnover at any particular board (especially on the Writing end), as Unne and others have said.

    After all, it came up recently in feedback that a newbie forum would be bad because there'd only be newbies in it; it'd defeat the purpose of even creating the thing. Perhaps a merger would do these three artsy fora some good.

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    I agree with the merge and archive idea. If people are worried about losing threads, then just have a rule that tells people to write the thread type in uppercase before making a title ie. POETRY-An ode to monkeys.

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    Phoenix has a pretty good idea, there. People can begin their posts with some defining marker - [W], [P] or [A], for example - depending on the post's particular medium of expression. Even if someone forgets, it wouldn't be too hard for the Knights to keep an eye on the threads, adding them where forgotten. Better to keep up consistently than try to seperate it all out at the end.

    (Golly, wouldn't that be fun, when half your modding job becomes tacking referential symbols on topic titles? Although, while i don't know squat about vBulletin, i would think you could set up a "multi-mod" shortcut to make it easy as hell.)

    i dunno. Just my two cents.

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    this merger would also solve the eternal question of which forum to post a fanfiction poem about designing forum signatures with images from Picasso.

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    Thank God, I was getting sick of those showing up in World Events.

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    ...Let's not forget music videos, too. Another popular form of 'fan-art' which would fit nicely into a "general artistic expression" forum.

    I quite like the idea of a 'merger'. One big forum will have more traffic than umpteen little separate fora, and who knows, those who visit there to post or view images or videos might have their imagination captured by stories and poetry, and vice versa. Could usher in a whole new era of creativity...

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    I only usually visit the Writing Forum for a couple of ongoing stories that are constantly being updated, such as the one by Axwind. I'd post a lot more in there, but I haven't written any stories in a long while, and I can't churn out fanfictions or stuff like that like some other people can. Not that I would do that, but you get the point. . .

    I can't speak much about the Poetry Forum because I can't write poetry or try to understand it to save my life. I like the idea of a amalgamation for those forums, though. Less clicks for me.

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    Originally posted by Big D
    Could usher in a whole new era of creativity...
    Okay, with that kind of rhetoric, now we HAVE to do it. xD

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    hm... this is actually quite a good idea. I actually like it. but I have a suggestion. Maybe we should archive the current forums, and start a new forum in place of the new 'merged' forum that can consist of everything creativity-related. Like poetry, fan-fic, stories, art, fanart, etc. I actually like it.

    And to make things more easier, have everyone who posts a new thread to indicate what kind of thread it would be by placing a [W], [P], and [A] as indicated by Blanco Meow.

    We can also bring back the literature forum for discussions of books and other forms of liteature. Actually, it's a good idea.

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