Time travel and the R=U theories (MASSIVE FRICKEN SPOILER WARNING)

[TheAbominatrix]

Yes, because revealing that R=U is going to threaten SquareEnix security! Things will go insane! Internet people will ask even more questions... so many questions that it will overload the mainframe and the entire world will be destroyed!

Yes, it is their product. However, there's no reason to lie about it. May wanna lighten up on the conspiracy theories.

Edit: By the way, maybe I'd actually care about this conspiracy theory if you could prove to me Square Enix's policy, not Motorolas or the government or whatever. SquareEnix, a company that makes games, has no reason to lie about plot lines in one of their games. Nothing in your post refutes that. Nothing in your post has anything to do with that, in fact. The government and Motorola's patent issues are moot points.

[celtcknight]

Yea, you got it. Lose the sarcasm, and yea, that's basically it. Flooded questions, possibly exposing one of their next projects prematurely... etc. It would cause the company to lose money and overload the mainframe, cause a demand, (thats what killed pygmallion by the way) but I doubt it would blow up the world.

And these aren't theories. Join the military, your head will come out of the clouds, believe me

Noting your Edit: Like Square... I dont have to waiste my more valuable time on you and what you think. Read carefully, I said patented ideas. It correlates with Square as well as Motorola. If I feel that you gain some incrament of importance in my life, like Square, i'll send you a Motorola application and papers of transportation of nuclear missiles through your neighborhood. :rolleyes2

[TheAbominatrix]

I didnt say those were theories, I said the policy of SquareEnix was, for one. For two, I was in the military, but I've learned to look for evidence as opposed to assuming blindly that every company is out to lie.

Third, what flooded questions? If Square confirmed or denied the R=U theory, that would stop the constant barrage of emails asking for confirmation/denial. Fourth, if they had a project coming, they wouldnt give a yes or no answer, they simply wouldnt answer or give a form letter, which doesnt mean they're lying. They simply arent telling. Fifth, I'm pretty sure that it wouldnt effect any of the economics of Square, and sixth, there wont be any mainframe overloading from email. That's a completly seperate part of the company, and if their fanmail email section went down, it wouldnt be a financial loss.

[celtcknight]

Yes, you are right, denial or confirmation of R=U theories would end constant emalings, Im glad you're seeing my point here. They may decline from answering yes or no to avoid false hopes and also, a demand.

If their was a project and they dont give a yes or no answer, and they are bombarded with questions that...expose their project, what would they say?

My original comment was a generalized analogy with some direct relation to the R=U theory. If someone lies about one thing you wouldnt trust them much about another.

And since you were in the military, you also know about attention to detail. One slip up may be recoverable, but to avoid more in the future, policies are made. These deal with confidentiality...

[TheAbominatrix]

Seeing your point? You keep swaying. First you said that confirming or denying would cause more emails and overload the system, now you're saying it would end them? Demand for what? More emails? That doesnt benefit nor hurt the company.

They'd answer with a form letter. Try emailing them. They always answer questions with form letters, as I've said about three times so far.

What have they lied about so far?

One slip of what? Obviously Square would have a policy on what questions would be answered. If the R=U theory was officially confirmed or denied, it would have to come from the official source, not leaked information, because that's just heresay and rumors. Not one employee coming forth and saying 'Hey, Rinoa is Ulty!', because that isnt official confirmation. This issue has nothing to do with confidentiality. If Square is going to confirm or deny, they will. If they do, it will be in pretty much every game magazine across the country. Simple.

[celtcknight]

What? no no no, first,
the whole flooding thing is sarcasm directed at your own sarcasm about flooding mainframes and blowing up the world.

Youre loosing me here, Square would be flooded right now with no answer. When they give an answer what ever it may be, truthful, or not, itll end it, it will shut everyone up. and it can be the truth or a lie in order to get some peace.

You said confirming would cause more emails,

"Yes, because revealing that R=U is going to threaten SquareEnix security! Things will go insane! Internet people will ask even more questions... so many questions that it will overload the mainframe and the entire world will be destroyed!"

I am making reference to a flood of questions exposing a premature idea that they dont want to discuss. So they could extinguish it with a big NO, if we were to be stumbling on their project.

So by answering the question with a NO, hey, it can be a no, or just a fib to shut us up so they dont have to dedicate their night to it like we are.

"If" that is the whole problem, if they do confirm it. They really haven't as far as Ive seen. I saw some remnants but not really credible as you described. Even if they did officially, it still may not be credible.

"One slip of what? Obviously Square would have a policy on what questions would be answered."

thats what I mean, square would make a policy of what questions were to be answered in order to avoid a slip in giving confidential info that they dot want released. I mean hell, an R=U would spark something big like you said.

[TheAbominatrix]

Okay, just some crossed wires there. Apologies.

But anyway, my whole point stands; if they give a definitive answer, I highly doubt it will be a lie. There's nothing to be gained with a lie. But, ask away, all you'll get is a polite form letter.

[PhoenixAsh]

So anyone maybe wanna talk about the topic again?

[Rusty]

I e-mailed square about it and I got so re directed that I ended up at the 'EA' support center. They wouldnt even answer my question which is the smae that you all want to know with is if r =u.

But right now i am contolling the urge to voice my opinions..but im gonna keep quiet and let you all discuss your own opinions

Good luck :P

[Iceglow]

ok random thought I once read somewhere that a person who traveled back of forwards in time could not exist in the same location or come in to contact with them selves due to unknown reactions like possibly the end of the universe or so they think thus rendering time travel entirely risky if it were ever possible. Well following the R = U theories so popular with you lot if R = U and Rinoa and Ultimecia were to meet after time compression they would probably destroy the universe well I would like to annouce that Rinoa and Ultimecia meet and the universe doesn't end we know this by the ending therefore one must assume in the theory of a person could never directly interact with their future or past self Rinoa cannot be Ultimecia because they do and chances are some of us kicked Ultimecia's ass with Rinoa in the party actively hitting her when healings were not neccessary. Case Closed R = U = Impossible

[Shockwave Pulsar]

Anything said about the time travel are only speculations, we won't know until somebody actually manages to do it. even if scientifics were able to determine that, games cannot be mixed with reality. If we can speak and interact with monsters even run into any monster at all, or talk to elixir hungry aliens we are talking about fantasies which is what this game is supposed to be. Case re-opened R = U = Possible

[PhoenixAsh]

rusty_angel777 discussions are fairly dull if it's the same people revoicing their opinions over and over, feel free to jump in any time.

Fallen_angel_666 your point has already been fairly well argued against so I won't add anything.

*Looks suspisciously at names of those two posters*

[TasteyPies]

777 is my lucky number actualy

But realy, why else would ultimecia summon griever if she didnt get it from squalls ring because she is rinoa? there needs to be a ff8-2

[TheAbominatrix]

Time travel is tricky. There's a lot that Square didnt explain with time compression... a lot of it that should have been made a bit clearer. But time travel, seeing as it isnt anything that can actually be done (for now, at least) really depends on the authors/writers of the particular peice. I've read a few books that speculate that you can only travel forward in time, not backwards, to avoid creating paradoxes in your own existance.

It's certainly possible that Ulty got Greiver elsewhere... that Greiver already existed, and Squall's ring was designed and named after something that already existed. Or many other possibilities... or simple coincidence. Or that she's Rinoa. I don't think an VIII-2 would be very useful, seeing as everything but R=U was answered in the game... but it'd be nice to know, conclusively.

[celtcknight]

commenting on fallen_angel_666

If time travel is risky in that matter inwhich you spoke, Ulty would prolly avoid time travel and compression altogether if it meant an apparadox, and the end of the universe, end of her.

Its like "since she did it I guess its possible" sort of thing. Their are theories that say you can meet your future and past and interact as much as you want and it cannot effect anything, otherwise you wouldnt be able to travel in time to begin with. And at the same time, you cant kill your past, like maybe the knife goes right through like a ghost. So it would be cool if rinoa alone could not defeat ulty in the end. But then again, who says you cant kill your future?

What abominatrix mentions is interesting. Ive heard of it somewhere also that you can forever travel in the future at any speed, but you cant turn back. Ive also heard you can go in the past but not as material. In other words, you can observe the past like a movie or in real life (looking at stars as they were millions of years ago, because of how slow light travels), but cant have any effect on it. Perhaps thats another reason ulty uses JME and ellone, to be able to affect what you can't affect in order to compress time.