chaos: Now I am in total dillema. Both of you have a great argument that truly makes me confused... Even though I think that everything points to Rinoa being Ultemicia, I am now beginning to ponder on this ever so more...

Rubedo: Although, about the Griever argument, I have heard in many areas that Squall's ring is supposed to represent a GF, Griever, that already exists. Or was it made up from Squall's mind? Eh... who knows?