Conspiracy Theory (spoilers)

**Kahless** · 10-21-2003, 03:23 AM

I've never heard of either the liar or the confession. I just saw the thing in the plot analysis and well I got curious.

I think people latched on to the ressurection theory because it's always a secret fantasy to be able to raise someone from the dead so death wouldn't be permanent.

Anyway urban legends are kinda fun.

**eternalshiva** · 10-21-2003, 03:41 AM

I thought that Aeris died while summoning the white Holy... Evryone was like *omg I hope she managed to do it on time before she got stabbed through the heart* and at the end the Holy still comes ...

There are too many inconsistencies in the game for Aeris, the programmers were sloppy if they decided to not bring her back to life. Other wise there is too much evidence that suggests you can bring her back ... That giant fish has something to do with it I know it ><

**The Man** · 10-21-2003, 04:06 AM

I personally wish all the resurrection theories would just die off; they're pretty inane really.

I don't see any problem with Aeris' death. It seems pretty complete to me. All these "clues" are just people looking too closely, IMO. The only things I can see that have merit are the extra lines that ~Tenderness~ pointed out, and that's more or less meaningless, since many FF games have lines that aren't used in the game.

**Kahless** · 10-21-2003, 01:51 PM

So holy does come? I guess I'll have to see how it ends. I thought the death scene itself looked sorta trekian. Especially cloud's line -- "what about my pain?" Off course I was never really fond of aeris in the first place.

Edit:
What fish? What could the fish possibly have to do with it?

**TheAbominatrix** · 10-21-2003, 02:00 PM

End of game (SPOILER)Yes, Holy does come. After Sephiroth (who was holding back Holy in the Northern Crater) is defeated, Holy is successfully 'freed', and sent off to kick some meteor butt, with a little help from the Lifestream.

**Meow** · 10-21-2003, 04:34 PM

i've heard things left and right about this game, and none of it holds much sway with me. But, if we must get into it, the only rumor that makes even the slightest sense to me is completely backwards from the ideas tossed about in this thread.

The extra dialogue, the physical clues, and all these other tidbits of information that apparently imply Aeris' resurrection might instead imply that the game makers hadn't originally intended for her to die at all. This could very well be a stretch; i do not know the many intricacies of game production, and so could not say how easily the production team could just change a character like that. But considering that in such an epic project of a game, where flow is key and fine-tuning may be constant, i would think said team would put together the game in an order of importance (minigames first, perhaps, CG movies last?) that would allow for such change. Inspiration may strike at any time, yes? Even then, it is a rather big change - though probably even bigger in the eyes of those of us who play the final product than those who actually had a hand in its production. But wouldn't such a change explain why the final game seemed so production-rushed?

i'm not standing in support of any rumor-laden theory in this thread; in my mind, the game as it is now is the game they wanted to make. End of story. Even if it isn't, i as the gamer still, in the end, have to take the game for what it is straight out of the package. But if we are going to coast off into the realm of extraneous dialogue and other such loose ends hidden in the game's miles of code, it wouldn't make sense to chalk it up to something as clunky as an intended resurrection. It seems far too stilted, and a horrible violation of Occam's Razor.

It's far more realistic to hypothesize that someone important on the food chain at Square wanted to change a character's role during construction of the game (though i'd assume it'd have to be early on no matter how you cut it) and it just so happened that some excess parts of Aeris' later existence were left in the code. If you ask me, that's not half as complicated as cutting out some big resurrection scheme.

**The Man** · 10-21-2003, 06:40 PM

Originally posted by Kahless
What fish? What could the fish possibly have to do with it?

I think that was a joke.

**Advent Child** · 10-23-2003, 03:30 AM

Originally posted by Deathjester
I personally wish all the resurrection theories would just die off; they're pretty inane really.

The perfect world doesn't exist.

**BG-57** · 10-23-2003, 10:15 PM

Reviving Aerith would have an additional and somewhat more subtle effect: it would change how we view Sephiroth.

*Spoiler* I see Sephiroth's cold-blooded murder of Aerith as the point where he crosses the line and becomes truly beyond redemption. Granted he burns down Neibelheim and slashes his way through Shin-Ra, but the mayhem wasn't directed at characters we had invested any emotions in.

My point is, he's so hateful after that point, even killing him off later doesn't really make me feel any better. That's a powerful emotional effect for a video game. Reviving Aerith would soften our view of him.

Personally though, I prefer villains with at least a *little* humanity. I'll take Rubicant over Kefka any day.

**The Man** · 10-23-2003, 10:29 PM

Originally posted by BG-57
(SPOILER)I see Sephiroth's cold-blooded murder of Aerith as the point where he crosses the line and becomes truly beyond redemption. Granted he burns down Neibelheim and slashes his way through Shin-Ra, but the mayhem wasn't directed at characters we had invested any emotions in.

(SPOILER)Arguably, it wasn't even Sephiroth who murdered Aeris; it's quite possible that Aeris' murderer was actually a random Sephiroth clone who just happened to look enough like Sephiroth that we believed it was him. Or it could have been Jenova changing her appearance to look like Sephiroth - which I find to be the most likely theory, actually, since we fight Jenova several times near the "Sephiroth" who killed Aeris and Jenova seems to have been directly influencing the real Sephiroth's thought patterns for a long time anyway. In any case, if the real Sephiroth was actually responsible for Aeris' death, then her killer was actually some manifestation Sephiroth summoned; Sephy himself was still trapped in the materia crystal in the North Crater, as you no doubt recall.

That part of the game confuses a heck of a lot of people, but it's impossible that Aeris' killer was actually the flesh-and-blood Sephiroth. We don't actually encounter him until we get to the North Crater, except in flashbacks.

**Kahless** · 10-24-2003, 01:56 AM

I just got to the crater with the supposed extra ledge. It isn't an extra ledge. Just a rock

**BG-57** · 10-24-2003, 03:08 PM

Even taking that into account, I doubt the 'real' Sephiroth would have acted any differently.

**eternalshiva** · 10-24-2003, 03:18 PM

I'm not joking..... there's a big fish at the end of the stairs that goes into the water cause I always try to get the Holy materia but the fish is there cloud's like *There's a big fish in the way*

Am I the only one that has "seen" this fish? I am really not joking, it has an antenna and its huge ...

**Kahless** · 10-24-2003, 04:05 PM

Oh that fish. Yeah I've seen it. It looks sorta like Nemo. Maybe there's a way to get rid of it. I'll have to play with it and see if I can make it go away.

Do you think you can GameShark it?

**The Man** · 10-24-2003, 06:38 PM

Originally posted by BG-57
Even taking that into account, I doubt the 'real' Sephiroth would have acted any differently.

(SPOILER)The 'real' Sephiroth has been brainwashed by Jenova for the last five years. Who's to say what he'd have done if he hadn't succumbed to Jenova's influence? It's impossible to know, but I severely doubt he'd have killed Aeris. He was actually regarded as a hero before he went crazy and burned Nibelheim, remember.

Jenova is the real villain here, IMO, not Sephiroth.

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