Talk to Maechen at the foot of mt Gagazet to get the story. Simple enough. (He'll appear after your beat Yunalesca i think.0
Talk to Maechen at the foot of mt Gagazet to get the story. Simple enough. (He'll appear after your beat Yunalesca i think.0
They are both [Tidus and Jecht] from the world that the Fayths have dreamt so they don't really exist in the first place, this is the plot problem I am talking about... there are alot of things that don't make sense. The original Zanarkand was destroyed by Bevelle and the Zanarkand Tidus comes from, the fayths are dreaming it *Remember the little hooded dude at the start? he's a fayth* SO what is up with that?Originally posted by Shayo
well if Auron was able to teleport between the "dream zanarkand" becuz he was an undead, then wouldn't that make Tidus an undead too? seeing how he also time traveled, and same goes for jecht
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There was no actual 'tme travel' involved at all, in any way. Bevelle defeated Zanarkand during their war, in a surprise attack. Zanarkand was reduced to being the ruins visited in Spira. Yu Yevon, ruler of Zanarkand, was distraught and used his powers to create Sin from the Fayths of Zanarkand - that cluster of crystal-shrouded bodies on Mount Gagazet. These Fayths, and the separate Fayths in the Temples of Yevon, are all keeping the 'Dream Zanarkand' alive, so that its glory never fades. An imaginary world, but based on their own city. "Zanarkand never sleeps", because it's one ongoing fantasy. But the Fayths grew tired of the endless dreaming, and Sin's unrelenting vengeance out in the real world. The Fayths wanted to break the cycle and finally set themselves free of the undying dream. Sin can exist in the dream world, and seems to go there whenever it is defeated by the Final Summoning. Jecht made it into reality in this way. But then, the Fayths saw a way to end it all, for good. They chose Tidus to make the attempt; Jecht's attack on the 'Dream Zanarkand' was intended to give Tidus the drive and motivation to beat Sin - especially once Auron told him who Sin was. The Fayth of Bahamut appears to Tidus several times, basically because he's been 'chosen' to champion their cause out in reality. Auron was able to cross into the dream world, via Sin and probably with the consent of the Fayths, too.
Once Yevon was defeated, the Fayths could finally be sent, and the Fayth Cluster could be set free of its dream, too. Remember when you first reach the summit of Gagazet, and Yuna notices that someone's summoning via the Fayths up there? That column of blue-green energy, which we see dissipating at the end, is where the 'Dream Zanarkand' originates, I think. After all, when that energy finally started to fade, Tidus' face was on one of the bubbles, which all showed someone from Zanarkand.
It's complex, but I don't think there are any genuine holes in the story. Like Radje said, Maechen's explanations are very helpful and extremely revealing.
I know that Big D! ;p I'm more curious to see what your theory to how Auron got to Zanarkan, there's a hole.
See? you know lots of stuff about FFX *brands you FFX nerd 2, me being the first*
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Hmm. Auron got to Zanarkand after Braska defeated Sin, so that would've been about the time that Jecht first became Sin. Auron, near death thanks to Yunalesca, first made sure that Yuna was going to be cared for, then he set off to honour his promise to Jecht by finding a way to Zanarkand to watch over Tidus. Sin can go into the 'dream world', we know that much. Auron 'rode' Sin to get to Zanarkand; Jecht undoubtedly had a hand in that. Sin's a huge living creature, full of very real monsters and the body of Yu Yevon; yet all of these corporeal beings can make the transition into the 'dream world', probably by getting reduced into that same ethereal energy seen at Mount Gagazet. A reversal of the procedure that allowed Tidus and Jecht to become real, in other words. It can work one way, why not the other?
That's also a possible explanation for Auron ageing, while the other unsents remained the same - once in the 'dream world', he became a fully living, normal person once again. Then, when the time came, both Auron and Tidus left the 'dream world' by way of Sin. "You are sure?", Auron asks, just to be certain that Jecht's not going to change his mind or regret throwing his son into that mess.
I don't think Jecht got to Spira because Sin retreated to the Dream after losing, seeing as how there isn't much time between Jecht appearing in Spira and becoming the Final Summoning. But that's just a nitpick - Sin seems to be able to enter the Dream at will, as shown at the beginning.
And the unsent are kind of Dreams themselves - just like Fiends and Aeons, which supports the notion that Auron rode Jecht, just like Jecht the Sin before him, and Tidus Jecht, and, possibly, Seymor's mother the same Sin as Jecht or a Sin before that Sin.
Does anyone have a cronological list of all the High Summoners? And do we know anything about their Final Summonings?
no unfortunately, there isn't, it's not detailed enough ;p you made what I was trying to say more clearly Nait. That's what I meant by Dream walking. Umm, I know that he came back with Sin, obviously. I'm just debating. I understnad a bit better the history but there are still a few quirky things.
*Declares Big D Winner of debate*
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But, were Jecht and Auron ever real back before Zanarkand got distroyed, or were they always dreams? I mean if the dream is of the actual city that once exsisted, doesn't that mean that the people there were all real just as the city was? And wouldn't that mean that Tidus died along with all the other people of Zanarkand? And did Jecht and Auron get lost out in Spira while Zanarkand was still alive or was Zanardkand already the dream? Please forgive me if any of these were made clear in the game but I haven't played it in along time and I only rushingly played through it once and I don't own it and I wanna know.
I swear when I play this game again its gonna be practially like playing it for the first time.
I like Kung-Fu.
They we're only part of the memories of the Fayths, this is what I was arguing, that Ject and Tidus we're never real to begin with. SO we're they really from 1,000 years ago and how did sin manage to get to Zanarkand. The FIRST Sin destroyed Zanarkand and Yu Yevon is in a constant state of summoning. He takes over people and turns them into the ultimate summon. The fayths *people that dies 1000 years ago* are trapped by him. They want to stop dreaming to stop Yu Yevon right? but they need someone to do it so they take Jecht first, he failed to see the light and then they take Tidus, who managed to do what his father couldn't do. SO. The Zanarkand they come from is a DREAM according to the conclusions both Nait and I have come to ;p
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Except maybe Tidus is real - think about it.
All aeons are dreams of the fayth. But of what we have seen of them, they are practically the one and the same - therefore three Fayths for the Sisters, ek cetera ek cetera. So, each human-level complex creature (which neatly excludes that damn dog Yojimbo hangs out with), requires a base, a fayth, who is that creature. And isn't Jecht the Final Summoning? And those who are to be Final Summonings shall turn into fayths, as Yunalesca's hubby shows us... Which would mean that Tidus, together with every single soul in the Zanarkand Dreaming are fayths who are represented by a Dream, or Aeon version of themselves within the Zanarkand Dreaming. This would mean that the bubbles we see in the end may not be the Dreams - or then again, they may be - but the Fayth themselves, either reflected through the Fayths Released or forming some sort of cool jacuzzi thing, into the merciful Farplain's embrace, amen.
I wonder how many times the Zanarkand Fayths have relived and relived their lives, if this is true?
Actually, the bubbles you speak of is a teaser for FFX-2.
I think that the fayths PULLED Jecht and Tidus from their dream. Spira is made from the descendents of the REAL Zanarkand that was destroyed. Sin seems to enter the dream of the Fayths, the Zanarkand Ject and Tidus come from, to destroy it, to give like a message to the Fayths that Sin/Jecht wants the dreaming to end.
I was thinking that maybe the only reason why Auron manages to get there is because he is dead, he's an unsent but because he is dead, he is able to enter the farplanes and enter the dream-world Zanarkand. He must of figured out that Jecht wasn't real or something...
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If the Fayths are people from Zanarkand how come the Fayth people are similar to those of Spira, eg. When you speak to the Magus Sisters they are models of people from Besaid and Kilika. Surely if they were from Zanarkand they would look like people from there?
The Aeon Fayth are not actually Zanarkandians, I believe - but people who were born AS (Anno Sin) and were able to - with the help of Yunalesca, probably - recreate or revive the Summoning as to make them the Third Fayths after Zanarkand and Sin. That is why they do not seem Zanarkandian - they are of Spira, created for Spira and by the people of Spira to protect them and destroy Sin and end the Spiral of Death. Of course, they, too, are immensely old and in need of some sleep, which is why they, in their uncomfortable and tiring Dreaming, decided to take matters in their own hands.
Theory - Jecht & Tidus are not the only Dreamings to have left Zanarkand. The Fayth have been gathering, through all these years, people from the Dreaming to become Final Summonings, which would make Seymour's mommie look more and more like a Fayth - even though a corrupt one.
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