KEFKA IS THE GREATEST VILLAIN EVER

[Clyde Arronway]

I mean not to offend you, but what has it to do with VI?

[The Man]

Doc asked what could be better than "Son of a Submariner," and I answered him. This thread is making the contention that Kefka is the greatest villain ever; I am making the contention that Luca Blight is the greatest villain ever. It's perfectly on-topic.

[Clyde Arronway]

But a story needs more than just evil. No good story on earth consists of just good and evil. People need foils (technical term for people of opposite charector) The antagonist in VI shows how strong the charectors of the lead people are.

[The Man]

Does this thread even ask anything about how strong the protagonists of the games are? No, it doesn't. It talks about the villains.

I could argue that Suikoden II has all-around better main characters than FFVI as well, but that's an argument I really don't care to get into because it's a bit more tenuous.

[aeris2001x2]

of course we all know ff8's characters kick ass. i mean rinoas development! and what could be better then ultimecias "curze all seeds!", stunning...i mean kefka or luca blight really dont hold a candle to "make then bleed". in case i wasnt unsubtle enough i was being sarcastic.

its so hard to work out whos best but i,m sure you can work out who was the worst villan supported by awful protaginists.

[The Man]

I always thought it was "Kurse the SeeDs," but I wouldn't know for sure because I've never played FF8.

[Clyde Arronway]

The protagonists are important because they make the villain as the villain makes the protagonists. If one wants to argue hardest boss to beat, talk about somthing like emerald weapon from VII. There's a difference between strength and charector

[Del Murder]

Evil doesn't exist without good and vice versa.

[The Man]

Evil doesn't exist without good and vice versa.

Of course not. I'm not disputing that fact.

[q=Clyde Arronway]
The protagonists are important because they make the villain as the villain makes the protagonists. If one wants to argue hardest boss to beat, talk about somthing like emerald weapon from VII. There's a difference between strength and charector]I'm not arguing hardest boss to beat. I'm arguing all around best villain. Luca Blight has many, if not all, of the traits that also make Kefka a great antagonist - he's incredibly cruel, he has more than a slight sense of humour, he remains one step ahead of the party for the entire game, he even ends up (SPOILER)killing off his superior. When it comes down to the end of the line, though, you expect the fight against a villain to be fairly challenging. Kefka's wasn't. Luca's was. (Another important point that has to go in Luca's favour is that he has a tangible reason for acting the way he does - (SPOILER)He was brought up to believe that his father was one of the most honourable men on the face of the planet, then witnessed, on a caravan with his family, guards slaughtered with reckless abandon by attacking mercenaries; his father ran away, leaving him and his mother to be subjected to what niceties the mercenaries wished, including raping Luca's mother repeatedly in front of him; after that point, he held a general loathing for all mankind - while Kefka's sole reason for being evil is that he went insane because of a faulty Magitek infusion. While that's certainly not an implausible reason for insanity in Kefka's case, it's not something many people would be able to relate to, like Luca's hatred of his father).

I don't even consider characters like Emerald Weapon to be villains. They just sit there. Hell, they don't attack anyone unless they approach on their personal space.

What you're trying to say is that a villain's characterisation would be less effective if there weren't protagonists to counteract him? I'm not sure that I agree with that. Sure, it would degrade the overall value of the game (not that it's relevant in Suikoden II's case, since it does have a fantastic cast of heroes as well), but I think it would be perfectly possible for a game to have a fantastic villain and a terrible set of heroes. Hell, one could almost argue that Chrono Cross is exactly such a game (and if not for Kid and Harle, it practically would be)

[Magil]

Sigh....
The best line they never put in the game:
"Im Not insane!!!
Im magically infused!!!!"
damnit.... they shouldve...

Kefka truly is the most genius villan ive ever known to any rpg...
I even dressed up as him once...
oh the humanity...
everyone thought i was a drunken clown....
Then again kefka is to