FF7 riddles

[Lenna]

No, way off. Look at the themes xlxRenoxlx uncovered and try to work from there. He's got the first and third section worked out but has just got the wrong person.

I'm she m'dear =P

and is it Jenova?

"In the presence of greatness
I stand and fight. (reference to an angel? presence of greatness could mean sephiroth.)

I am the protecter of hope
Though I'm devoid of light. (the angel theme again, even though this angel is dark and evil)

'What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger'
A phrase that I stand by no longer. (jenova is practically dead but her cells still lived and helped to control sephiroth. if she's dead she's not strong =p)

My name is what you need
A name given by those my master made bleed." (Jenova was implied to be named by scientists, Professor Gast, this was informed in the Shinra Mansion basement, when you read the reports. It says that a rare cell form was found and they decided to name it the "Jenova Project"

I'm not sure if they actually named her or if the cetra named her jenova, I know she was the "calamity from the skies" but I don't know if they were the ones who named her. this could explain part of it.)

Sorry if this doesn't help anyone, but these are what I think, I'm turning into Llanowar I think =P with all the deep explanations n stuff hehe. <3 your dedicated Llan! =)

[TheSpoonyBard]

My apologies, xlxRenoxlx. I shall remember that in the future.

Here are the sections you got right the first time.

In the presence of greatness
I stand and fight. (The character fights during the game)

'What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger'
A phrase that I stand by no longer. ... or as someone else said, they are possibly dead.

Everything you just said was, sadly, wrong. The answer is much more obscure than Jenova. Here is a clue to help you out (SPOILER)I appear quite early in the game

[Llanowar]

so you think you are turning into me huh Reno. Well apparently not because you can at least solve riddles. Well not the one I am usually working on, but then again noone else can solve it either.
Ok my assumptions are that this is someone who either actually is in battle or has a "fight" with someone in power possible pres. Shinra, etc,
secondly the protector of hope though devoid of light. This could refer to anyone who fought to protect Aeris(what i perceive as hope) even though they don't feel they have any hope left.
The third stanza I believe refers to the fact that they do Die at some point although possibly not when u meet them early on. (It probably is at that time since most people who do actually die do die early on.)
the fourth stanza might be referring to a name that you need in order to pass by some certain obstacle.

My guess is the Midgar Zolom. fights Sephy. Loses and "dies" yea w/e

[TheSpoonyBard]

Ok my assumptions are that this is someone who either actually is in battle or has a "fight" with someone in power possible pres. Shinra (Yes, very close)

secondly the protector of hope though devoid of light. This could refer to anyone who fought to protect Aeris(what i perceive as hope) even though they don't feel they have any hope left. (No, but they did fight to protect someone else...)

The third stanza I believe refers to the fact that they do Die at some point although possibly not when u meet them early on. (It probably is at that time since most people who do actually die do die early on.) (This character dies almost as soon as you meet them)

the fourth stanza might be referring to a name that you need in order to pass by some certain obstacle.(No. The name in question is that characters name and also the name of something much larger)

My guess is the Midgar Zolom. fights Sephy. Loses and "dies" yea w/e(Not the Midgar Zolom)

[Lenna]

lolol!!! Llanowar I can only solve easy riddles =P, You have a much better idea at gaining ANY idea's from Thingfish's riddle lol =P I can't think of anything from that riddle!!! but when you solve that riddle I shall bow down to you =P hehe but, yeah, I usually just, guess an answer and that's, but from all the posts you've posted with explanations of everything, it's given me an insight to look deeper into riddles, so I'm doing alot better at thinking of things that I usually get one or two answer from and that's it.

If the answer is not Midgar Zolom, is this character/thing one that we fight, or is it just part of a side story, like the Midgar Zolom was (after all, the midgar zolom had nothing to do with cloud & the gang at that point in time, it was only a view point.)

anyway, *Thinks*

Could it be GI Nattak... I'm just thinking like. (The boss before you see Seto.. the leader of the GI Tribe)

GI was in the cave that Seto was in, you could say he was protecting it as well as invading it. GI was undead, but still dead never the less. It was sort of in the presence of Seto as it was in the same cave, he was greater than most as he was a true warrior to his kind. and about the Name thing/master I have no idea.

[Masamune·1600]

"In the presence of greatness
I stand and fight.
I am the protecter of hope
Though I'm devoid of light.
'What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger'
A phrase that I stand by no longer.
My name is what you need
A name given by those my master made bleed."

Who am I?

Time for some line-by-line analysis.

"In the presence of greatness"

Self-explanatory, although what it actually refers to remains to be seen.

"I stand and fight."

ForestOwl has noted that this characters either fights in battle, or otherwise stands against a powreful force, an example of which would be President Shinra.

"I am the protecter of hope"

According to ForestOwl, this character did fight to protect someone else.

"Though I'm devoid of light."

Seems to be a critical line. This could suggest that the character has dark or ignoble tendencies, or it could reference the character's death, or it could refer to a physical condition (the slums of Midgar, for example, are blocked from sunlight by the Plate).

"'What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger'"

Needs to be understood within the context of the next line....

"A phrase that I stand by no longer."

This suggests, of course, that the above character has died, a fact which has already been confirmed.

"My name is what you need"

Self-explanatory. The context of 'need', however, has yet to be established. This could refer to anything from a password, to this individual granting the party access to somewhere, to a number of other possibilities.

"A name given by those my master made bleed."

ForestOwl has said that the name refers both to the character and to a larger concept. It also seems that the master or leader of said individual has wronged or otherwise upset some group or entity.

Now, if the character dies early on, I'm going to assume that the character dies before the party reaches the second continent. In that case, the death must take place at one of a variety of locations: Midgar, Kalm, Nibelheim (via the flashback, maybe. I don't really like this since it takes place in the past, and is an altered version of events, anyway), the Chocobo Farm, Mythril Mine, For Condor, Lower Junon, Junon, and the cargo ship. Logic, of course, points totally to Midgar.

A number of individuals die in Midgar. Notable are Biggs, Wedge, and Jessie; the inhabitants of the Sector 7 Slums; President Shinra; the train conductor (apparently); the Beginner's Hall group (some of their spirits can be seen, amusingly, in Junon); or any enemy that the party itself defeats.

I think it's either Biggs, Wedge, or Jessie, but I'm probably wrong. I know that there's something I'm overlooking at the moment.

[Lenna]

It's possible that it could be Biggs, Wedge or Jessie, but she is looking for one character, and that riddle could refer to all three, as for mentioning President Shinra, your theory has made me look deeper into that thought.

He could be referred as the protector of hope as if you recall what he says in the meeting with the rest of the Shinra managers/staff, he says that no matter what the people will still gain hope from shinra if they promise to protect them. EVEN if their intentions are not clearly uncovered. You met him in the 5th reactor, then he dies about half an hour to an hour later depending on how quick you are in the game.

ForestOwl has said that the name refers both to the character and to a larger concept. It also seems that the master or leader of said individual has wronged or otherwise upset some group or entity.

President Shinra had upset many for his misuse of mako and also for the nasty things he allowed to happen to innocent people. as for the master image, I am unsure.

So I assume it could be president Shinra.

Any other guesses I have would have, would have been Tseng, Dyne or the Condor which dies ontop of the Fort Condor Reactor after you've defeated the Shinra Army

[PhoenixAsh]

I'm not sure if this is even the name, and I can't fit the last line, but is it Dark Nation? If thats what I think it is my reasoning should be fairly obvious.

[Lenna]

Dark Nation is correct if you're on about the dog that protects Rufus in the Shinra building. and it's quite a good guess, as he is always protecting Rufus with barriers and magic barriers but only he ends up dead. good one phoenix, if its right that is.

[TheSpoonyBard]

PhoenixAsh is right! The answer was Dark Nation.

"In the presence of greatness
I stand and fight.(Fights alongside Rufus)
I am the protecter of hope(For the Shinra Inc he was their hope of finding the Promised Land and completing the Neo-Midgar plan)
Though I'm devoid of light.(Reference to 'Dark')
'What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger'(You receive a Guard Source and a Protect Vest upon defeating Rufus and Dark Nation)
A phrase that I stand by no longer.(Dark Nation is now dead)
My name is what you need(You need the answer to the riddle)
A name given by those my master made bleed."(Residents of Midgar and Kalm may see Shinra's oppression as having created a dark nation in which they now live)

PhoenixAsh's turn now.

[Lenna]

I am the protecter of hope(For the Shinra Inc he was their hope of finding the Promised Land and completing the Neo-Midgar plan) <-- I hope that was in reference to Rufus and not Dark Nation, as there's nothing said in the game that Dark Nation is actually needed other than to protect Rufus in that one battle.

[PhoenixAsh]

Okay, I'm still a bit rusty, but I'll give a riddle a go.

From rags to riches he went,
To what could hold the cup of Midas.
As a champion,
He stood against the rain.
As a failure,
All he could do was wipe his tears.
But he was not a selfish man,
He gave his gift away.

Who to?

This might be easy, it might be hard, the key is to understanding exactly what the riddle is asking.

[abrojtm]

Is it Dyne?

[ehsteve]

Is it Dio giving the temple key to Cloud?

[Lenna]

I think it may have been Dyne BUT the answer is asking who did they give their treasure to. If it is Dyne, he gave Barret the amulet/necklace which Dyne treasured. Therefore the answer would be Barret.

As for the "temple key" it's actually a Keystone. Not a key =)