Halenite, I've sent you a PM showing you where he dies (too long to post here.)
Halenite, I've sent you a PM showing you where he dies (too long to post here.)
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No PM there.
Hal, Bugenhagen dies in a sidequest. It's how you get Red's ultimate weapon.
That is where I got this from. RED SAYS THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Originally Posted by Halenite
PhoenixAsh, correct me if I'm wrong, but given that you haven't stepped in on the matter, I'm guessing Red's statement about Bugenhagen does not affect the solution to the mystery.
No Bugenhagen is key actually. I was indeed using the idea that he died. As Luthien Rogue got pretty much the complete answer, here is my logic:
The people away from camp when the party wakes up are:
Nanaki, Yuffie, Cid, and Vincent.
Nanaki says that Yuffie was six hours from camp when he saw her, and as the party finds her body, we can assume that she is at least this distance away. Yuffie is a ninja and is unlikely simply to fall off a cliff, so whoever killed her would require at least twelve hours to kill her after leaving camp, too long for them to have stayed at camp and killed Cloud, then returned before everyone woke up. Therefore Yuffie was not killed by Barret or Tifa. We know Nanaki didn't kill Cloud though.
If Cid or Vincent killed Yuffie then the other would have had to have been in on it. We therefore know that at least two people were involved in the killings. If we assume that the minimum number of people were involved, then we can take it to have been any of the following pairs.
Cid and Vincent, Barret and Nanaki, Tifa and Nanaki.
We know that Nanaki lied because of Bugenhagen, this suggests that he was involved. We now need a reason for Yuffie to leave camp.
If we ignore the chance that Yuffie coincidantally stole Clouds materia
on the same night he was killed, then she must have left for some other
reason. This is most likely that she was being chased by her killer, or was chasing someone. We can infer from the situation and Nanaki's lie that it was him. As he didn't kill Cloud, he probably chased her. Why?
This is the final clue. Barret notices the missing materia almost immediately, despite Cloud's dead body, and a devastated Tifa. If Yuffie didn't steal the materia, then she must be being set up. This explains why she was killed and Nanaki said he saw her running away.
Therefore Barret and Nanaki are the killers. Barret killed Cloud, then one of the pair took the materia to frame Yuffie, and Nanaki waited near camp to chase her away and kill her.
Like I said there is room for error, it is arguable that more than two people could have been the killers, though this seems the simplest and most explanatory solution to me. This was just a test, so try not to shout at me if you feel I made a mistake. I would appreciate any constructive criticism though
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EDIT: Well done Luthien Rogue and everyone else, for doing as well as you did, and actually having a go at this
I say what I think. If you disagree, then that is up to you.
So I... sort of got it? :P Almost?
Halenite, I was sending the PM then my pc crashed... Go here and go to Edit -> Find -> "Strength of the Valley" It is in the sidequest that Bugenhagen dies.
Yes, when Nanaki comes out, he tells Cloud that Bugenhagen went on another "adventure," but he was lying.."Nanaki, it's really bad. Ever since Bugenhagen returned from
that last trip, he doesn't seem well."
"Why don't you hurry and see Bugenhagen?"
Bugenhagen
"Ho Ho......"
(His arm falls to the floor. Red XIII leaps up and begins to frantically
nudge Bugenhagen's body. The scene fades to black.)
Um... someone can take my turn. Or is it my turn? :P I dunno...Cloud
"Red XIII... Is Bugenhagen...?"
(Red XIII half-stands.)
Red XIII
"......"
"Grandpa told me that he's going away again!"
Cloud
"Away...?"
(Red XIII sits again.)
Red XIII
"It seems like he really liked that Airship."
"He told me he couldn't stay and just zipped out of here!"
"He even gave me a gift, look!"
(He displays his comb, the Limited Moon.)
Red XIII
"Wait a minute. Aren't you supposed to give gifts AFTER you
come back?"
"Ha ha...... Grandpa sure is strange! Haa... ha ha...... ha......"
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What's Up guys... I've been reading this thread and finally decided to join this forum. I have to say that murder mystery had me goin for a while... I gave up tho... My final conclusion was that Tifa and RedXIII did it... But keep those riddles coming...
Welcome to the forums
I say what I think. If you disagree, then that is up to you.
Thanks
...and if you want one just PM me...
anyWHO... I guess I'll start a riddle since no one else has so here goes my first one...
One is all I'm worth...
Obtained just before Jenova-BIRTH...
I might as well be thrown in the can...
Found down in Junon next to a sleeping man...
Good Luck!
Guard Source?
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nope...
gosh been so long since i played i cant remember the name of it. One is all I am worth refers to its sell value if I remember from 3 years ago!!!.
Well, I'm not very good at remembering most innocuous items in the game, but I do know where to find them when I find them.
I am very good at remembering eventful data, though. So, this was right before Jenova Birth. Right next to a sleeping man in Junon. Well, I don't remember anything by the manager. Isn't there a 1/35 Soldier near those sleeping grunts?
yep you are correct...
g/j
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