Read this. Then comment. Warning: if you choose to believe everything you read here, it is very depressing.
Peak Oil
Read this. Then comment. Warning: if you choose to believe everything you read here, it is very depressing.
It's no secret that we'll run out of oil someday. The whole site stinks of conspiracy-theory though. From the articles I read, it says that the end of oil has been predicted many times, and it has yet to happen. We also don't know how much oil is left to be discovered in places we never looked. We just don't know when it will end. There's no reason to expect oil to run out tomorrow, so I don't care. Nothing I can do about it anyways.
The essay was convincing untill I got to the first sentence. Any argument that begins with a declaration that civilization's end is at hand will need a lot more proof than a few paragraphs to make me start digging a bomb shelter.
Knock yourselves down.
Yea I agree mankind isnt going to go extinct when oil is gone. Its like saying whenny the poo has no more honey in his jars, its not like hes going to die. And about the factories being fueled by oil, we could just simply use energy from hydrogen dams, hydrogen engine, sun, etc. And that guys saying more food, the population will increase. Its the other way around more people make babies the more food is demanded. Will just have to reduce how many childeren we can have... Like what's happening in China. And plus I think will have the hydrogen engine complete in 2 decades or so. And plus this guy is 25?? I dont know.
I do have faith that when the downslide does come, we will have found that alternative fuel source. Yes, that is despite the U.S. trying to hog all the oil in the world to itself...
I'm almost tempted to say we might go the way of the Matrix and use our own body heat for energy...
But here's what I wonder: How much oil is being created by the earth every day? Surely it's less than what we're pumping out, but it stands to reason that not all the oil was created at the same time, and that it's still being created in small amounts today. I mean, breakdown of fossils doesn't stop just because humans are taking it out of the earth, right?
Still a gigantic force on the 'Net...and still bigger in person!
I'm guessing we'll eventually figure out how to synthesize oil from fats or something. It can't be THAT hard.
like in the Kentucky Fried Movie... (sorry)
Oil is produced over millions of years from what I know. We're not producing it on Earth nearly as fast as we're using it. If we don't stop using it, it will run out, that's unavoidable.
The guy who made that site isn't even a scientist. He's a lawyer. Most of his points are backed up by nothing, and most of the points he does provide evidence for is backed up by links to fellow conspricacy-theory sites.
If you need any more proof of this guy's character, he claims also to run this site: http://www.sonsofjohnbrown.org/ He wants to abolish all prisons, let about 90% of prisoners just go free, and the other 10% (the amount of people he thinks are a real physical danger) should be nurtured by friendly community centers, not "ruthlessly punished" in prison. In other words, he's a quack.
OOC: This is no different than the utterly meaningless Y2K scare way back in 1998 or something. I remember changing my DOS system clock to 12/31/1999 23:00 one day and sat there for a couple of minutes...
Nothing happened. In fact, I doubt that any computer would've malfunctioned and determined some rediculously random date a second after 12/31/1999 23:59:59. Lemme do some binary here...The only way to hold '99' is to have an 8bit variable right? (max 127). So even if we didn't do anything the computer won't 'crash' or 'blow up' or 'get confused'. I could be hideously wrong and misunderstood the whole problem, but I never saw a problem to begin with. I couldn't understand how a computer would reset to the year 1900 (00) if a variable got too big. If variables get to big we get a different error and the program stops working. That's a definite problem, but I don't think Y2K was any sort of problem like that.
Anyway I went hideously off track, but the point of all that was to illustrate that this is quite normal and we don't really need to assassinate the person's character by calling him a quack, and that more often than not, our predictions of highly unlikely events happening to destroy the planet and ruin everybody's good time are wrong. Remember the meteor scare way back when we were kids? Or that unfortunate incident where a comet was going to leave a trail in the path of the earth? "o nose!"
All rubbish.
It's about cheap oil running out, not oil noobOriginally posted by Dr Unne
It's no secret that we'll run out of oil someday. The whole site stinks of conspiracy-theory though. From the articles I read, it says that the end of oil has been predicted many times, and it has yet to happen. We also don't know how much oil is left to be discovered in places we never looked. We just don't know when it will end. There's no reason to expect oil to run out tomorrow, so I don't care. Nothing I can do about it anyways.
His points are backed up by geologists, not himself LOL
go with the soy beans
middle east sources have got 50 years, russian 70. but apparently there's loads under antartica
Your sig is too hilarious and witty, thus i have removed it to protect the minds of all forum goers
-The allways inspiring leeza
Originally posted by Dr Unne
If you need any more proof of this guy's character, he claims also to run this site: http://www.sonsofjohnbrown.org/ He wants to abolish all prisons, let about 90% of prisoners just go free, and the other 10% (the amount of people he thinks are a real physical danger) should be nurtured by friendly community centers, not "ruthlessly punished" in prison. In other words, he's a quack.
That sounds quite reasonable. Didn't you Unne once advocate amputation as punishment? How charmingly third world.
If any nation starts trying to turn Antartica into an industrial complex, there's gonna be war. Even if there is oil on the last untouched continent, it should be left in peace. Every single use of petroleum, and every step of the production process causes (often long-lasting) environmental harm. It's better that we just use up what's readily available, then work on alternatives.Originally posted by gokufusionss1
middle east sources have got 50 years, russian 70. but apparently there's loads under antartica
As for how long it'll last... estimates I've seen have ranged from 50 to 200 years. Truth is, it's really very hard to know for certain.
Actually, what's in that article - the speculation on wars and whatnot - isn't too different from what the Pentagon is predicting, as populations increase and food and water become harder to obtain. However, the vast majority of that 'article' consists of wildly paranoid speculation, and deliberately manipulated presentations of what others have said, I believe. The hostile tone and bitter cynicism show that it's not a wholly objective appraisal of the situation.[q=Nait]Didn't you Unne once advocate amputation as punishment? How charmingly third world.[/q]Please read the stickied thread in this forum - the one where it says to debate without making personal remarks at other posters.
Seems that someone else has already disciplined mong00se, though, so I needn't worry about that
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