Whose fault was it?(SPOILERS)

[MeriC]

I've been wondering... who killed Aeris? Was it Sephiroth or Jenova? Right after stabbing her, he flies up and becomes a small thingy, and lands at Cloud's feet while the screen goes red. Then there's a boss battle with Jenova.

At the Northern Cave, Tifa even says: "Not Sephiroth!? You mean all this time it wasn't Sephiroth we
were after?"

The real Sephiroth was that one encased in Mako, and everyone else were just his clones... right?

If that's so, than why are big Aeris fans complaining that it was Sephiroth's fault she kicked the bucket? It wasn't really him was it?

God I ask a lot of questions

[zacks_clone]

You know,your gana have to take a guess.Me,being a big Sephiroth fan despite Aeris being killed by (supposibly) him,have an idea.

Yes,i think the person who killed Aeris was a clone.A very good,perhaps the only succesful, Sephiroth Clone.You know how Cloud was living Zacks memories?Well,think of this Clone(looking exactly like Sephiroth) living Sephiroths memories.

I think this was Jenovas plan.Hojo was making Sephiroth Clones,people that could hold his strength and power,but he never gave them Sephiroths thoughts.Jenova must have.Jenova,being a *thing* we know little about,Cloud have known everything there was to know about Sephiroth,seeing how her Cells were in him.Perhaps she collected his thoughts and memories.She then gave them to this clone.

The clone killed Aeris.The clone was being controlled by Jenova.The line "You are a Puppet" was directed twords Cloud, to make him mentaly unstable,but...I think it was actually ment to fit Sephiroths clone.The clone was Jenovas toy,and a toy ment to be played with by the Shinra.That is the reson Hojo made the clones.

So,basicly,Hojo made a clone.Jenova gave the clone Sephiroths memories and feelings and life(basicly),and the Clone in return did her bidding, knowing nothing of her playing with him like a puppet.

now,i hope somone give you their thoughts...-.-;;; i think it'd be nice to hear their ideas to.

[zacks_clone]

Or,then again,cloud coulda done sephiroth clone/jenovas dirty work for them....I just dont know.

[MeriC]

Yeah, I think Sephiroth (or whoever...) had originally planned Cloud to kill Aeris but Jenova's control over him just wasn't strong enough. (Remember, he was saying to Cloud in his dream "WE must stop that girl soon.") But when he saw that Cloud managed to stop himself, he flies down and does the job.

[Ice_andmice]

I heard a theory that this was no clone...

The real Sephiroth was killed by cloud(as everybody knows) but because of the will too find Jenova he refused too become a part of the lifestream..
Soo the shirna inc transported his damaged body to Northen crater and placed it in a mako chrysalis.

There with he´s great willpower he was so strong that he could coalesce himself into physical form through is mind and travel that way.

So you could say that Sephiroth was the killer

But... as i say just a theory that is not to be taking seriously.

[zacks_clone]

good theroy.Meric also brought up a point I had forgotten,to.That whole dream thing.Well,I dont know if there is a soilid answer to this question.:rolleyes2

[MeriC]

Yeah, I wouldn't take that theory seriously, since there's a few things wrong it... Sephiroth already found Jenova. And the Shinra has never been to the Northern cave before (hence Rufus and Scarlet being so surprised and pleased at all the mako)

And if Sephiroth was SO strong, how could Cloud so easily kill him?

Where did you ever hear this theory from?

[razor248725]

i think that jenova was responsible because she was basically controling sephiroth

[Ice_andmice]

Originally posted by MeriC
Yeah, I wouldn't take that theory seriously, since there's a few things wrong it... Sephiroth already found Jenova. And the Shinra has never been to the Northern cave before (hence Rufus and Scarlet being so surprised and pleased at all the mako)

And if Sephiroth was SO strong, how could Cloud so easily kill him?

Where did you ever hear this theory from?

I think you are right this theory isnt good at all and i heard it from my friend.

My theory on the other hand is a bit better.....

I think that sephiroth himself was weak, he was indeed controlled by the real thread and enemy of this game wich is jenova

She was the one who created shrina inc with her ability to control other people´s mind. So u could say that she is behind everything.She manipulated everyone and changed much of the memories that cloud had. Sephiroth was just her puppet to take the blame on. At the end of the game in the fight with Bizarro and saviour sephiroth. if you take a close look you can see this extra head on bizarro wich is jenova junctioned with sephiroth.

Who is jenova?
Jenova is alien who destroyed the ancients 2000 years ago and descriped as" The crisis from the sky" in one of the books at the Shrina mansion

This creature was discovered sealed somewhere in northen crater and seemed to be in some kind of coma. Professor Gast took jenova to his laboratory and did a lot of experiment on her. He did a big mistake bringing her to his laboratory.As time passed she corrupted the minds of the people at the laboratory and later it became shirna inc(you should guess the rest of the story).

The only remaining ancients where aeris and sephiroth
Sephiroth was Hojo son inffected with jenova cells to make him poweful. And Aeris is Gast´s daughter.

I personally think it was jenova beacause she had full control of everything including her puppet sephiroth wich she used too get her will done.

This maby doesnt make much sense and i admit this may be bull but as i say this is what i believe happened and is my theory on this.

[The Man]

Originally posted by RyuuRaigeki
I have a friend who believes that it was entirely Jenova controlling Sephiroth during the WHOLE game. My main problem with that theory is that lines he said before he chopped off her head, the :

"But they...those worthless creatures....are stealing the planet from mother!"

It just doesn't make sense. Unless the last planet Jenova had for dinner's native language was one that talks in third person, and she picked up an accent...

I personally believe the blame is equally upon Jenova and Sephiroth for Aeris' death. Imo, Sephiroth had a bit of a choice...even in the insanity. Though it is true he had a bit of a genetic predisposition, most likely coming from his father's side...

I think Sephiroth remained insane because at that point he was so brainwashed that even without Jenova's added influence, he didn't have a chance of seeing the reality of what he was doing. Hojo was certainly insane, arguably even before he came into contact with Jenova and certainly afterwards. Sephiroth more or less didn't stand a chance, given his background.

I don't know how anyone could think the "Sephiroth" that kills Aeris is actually Sephiroth, given that the real Sephiroth appears in the Northern Crater. Given the fake Sephiroth's appearance, I'd say he's likely Jenova taking his form (the fact that you fight Jenova several times when you encounter "Sephiroth" adds a considerable substance to this theory), as does the fact that the first time you hear of renewed Sephiroth activity after his disappearance five years before the start of the game is right after Jenova breaks free from her prison. Also, given the fact that none of the other clones look like Sephiroth, it's likely not one of them that did it.

I still don't exactly understand what Jenova's prison was, though, and since Hojo seemed to want to advance Jenova's cause, I don't see why he should have her in a prison in the first place.

Sephiroth was not an Ancient; given that his parents were Hojo and Lucrecia, he was simply misled to believe he was by Jenova.

[GaV]

The person who flew away dropped a body part of jenova and therefore one of her many forms took place. I think that only a part of her body needs to survive in order for her to spawn and therefore she killed aeris. Remember Jenova could take any form she wanted and communicated with Cloud at that exact time because of the cells in him. Also the clones did not actually look like sephiroth they only had Jenova's cells and were created in a similar way.

[zacks_clone]

Ony one tweak in your story: Sephiroth wasnt an ancient at all.Other then that,it seems really possible.

[Rand Al'Tor]

PHYSICALLY, the one that kills Aeris is indeed not Sephiroth. Seph's physical body fell into the Lifestream 5 years ago, carrying Jenovah's head and ended up in the Northern Crater, where he remained until the end. The physical Sephiroth Cloud and Company follow is the BODY of Jenovah, rushing towards the head, just as all the black-cloaked men with Jenovah cells and Cloud (also with Jenovah-cells)

The question, there are two things in the centre that could be bossing people around. Sephiroth and the Head of Jenovah. So who is calling the shots between those two?

BEFORE Sephiroth got shish-kebabbed by Cloud, I think Seph was more going insane than anything else, with perhaps SOME influence by Jenovah. It's clear he's got a misconception. He ASSUMES Jenovah is an Ancient, while Jenovah is the thing that almost WIPED OUT the Ancients. (note, it is suggested that Jenovah might be some kind of disease corrupting Ancients, as Aeris' mother says some Ancients started acting strane. So Jenova's body (and thus Sephiroth) could very well have Ancient DNA, but Jenova is NOT an Ancient) Basically, Sephiroth freaks out and develops, what his detractors call 'a mommy complex'

AFTERWARDS the one running the show seems to have forgotten about the whole 'return the world to the Ancients' stuff. Summonning Meteor and corrupting the Lifestream for its own purposes is definately NOT Ancient action.

But again. Is it Sephiroth or Jenovah?

I believe it IS Sephiroth. For some reasons.

1: Why would Jenovah take Sephiroth's form?

2: Why would Jenovah feel the need to kill President Shin-Ra?

3: Why would Jenovah feel the need to return to the Shin-Ra mansion in Niebelheim. She has never been there.

4: Why would all the caped creatures speak of Master Se...phi...roth

5: Who is the one going for godhood at the end? It ain't Jenovah.

I think a possible compromise is saying that Jenovah shouldn't be considered an actual PERSON, but more of a disease, corrupting Lifestream and individuals alike (though it can strengthen them in small doses) Some get corrupted and become mindless drones, following stronger Jenovah-carriers (black capes) some freak out (Cloud) some become morally corrupt while maintaining their identity (Sephiroth, Hojo up to a point, even IF he seems to be aiding Sephiroth)

[PhoenixAsh]

1: Why would Jenovah take Sephiroth's form?

It's a good cover given it explains a lot of her actions and abilities. He's the person she has the most connection to. He draws Cloud.

2: Why would Jenovah feel the need to kill President Shin-Ra?

She killed everyone, besides she'd been locked in his building.

3: Why would Jenovah feel the need to return to the Shin-Ra mansion in Niebelheim. She has never been there.

There was a lot of information on her, Sephiroth and Cloud in that basement.

4: Why would all the caped creatures speak of Master Se...phi...roth

Why would they do it if Sephiroth was in charge? In the same way that taking his own form would blow his own cover, having all the crazy people moan his name would be pointless.
It provides a cover, and it draws Cloud. Plus Sephiroth was an actual point to head for, they couldn't go to Jenova, she was everywhere.

5: Who is the one going for godhood at the end? It ain't Jenovah.

Says who? Until the very final one on one that sure as hell isn't 100% human Sephiroth. He shows a lot of Jenova's traits aswell.

[Rand Al'Tor]

Originally posted by PhoenixAsh
1: Why would Jenovah take Sephiroth's form?

It's a good cover given it explains a lot of her actions and abilities. He's the person she has the most connection to. He draws Cloud.

2: Why would Jenovah feel the need to kill President Shin-Ra?

She killed everyone, besides she'd been locked in his building.

3: Why would Jenovah feel the need to return to the Shin-Ra mansion in Niebelheim. She has never been there.

There was a lot of information on her, Sephiroth and Cloud in that basement.

4: Why would all the caped creatures speak of Master Se...phi...roth

Why would they do it if Sephiroth was in charge? In the same way that taking his own form would blow his own cover, having all the crazy people moan his name would be pointless.
It provides a cover, and it draws Cloud. Plus Sephiroth was an actual point to head for, they couldn't go to Jenova, she was everywhere.

5: Who is the one going for godhood at the end? It ain't Jenovah.

Says who? Until the very final one on one that sure as hell isn't 100% human Sephiroth. He shows a lot of Jenova's traits aswell.

All valid points. But cn we agree that in the final battle, there is little point for Jenovah wouldn't be in any need for cover, and we're talking at the very least of a Jenova/Sephiroth merging?

Also, been a while since I played, but I seem to recall there be a mention of 'Sephiroth's will' wich would suggest it's the silver haired bishounen calling the shots. (but he could be influenced by Jenovah)

Heh, I guess this is FFVII's R=U problem... except I can't really get behind either case. Still, I don't think the Sephiroth you follow is merely Jenova putting on a show.