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    FFVIII is definitely one of my least favorite RPGs in general. True, I don't hate it more than Legend of Dragoon (nor do I think it is possible for me to hate a game more than that one), but it would still rank just about as low as it can go on my list of favorite RPGs.

    Yes, I understand Square was trying something new with this game. Hell, I appreciate that. Square needs to do more innovationg, but in the case of FFVIII, those innovations just didn't pay off.

    For example, FFVIII was the first one which really centered on the love story more than anything else. I really didn't have a problem with that. I'm a romantic guy at heart, and I can handle a good love story so long as it was believable and well done, two things which the love story in FFVIII was not (unless you want to talk about Laguna/Raine, but I digress). The love story depended on two characters, and Squall and Rinoa were just not up to the task of delivering.

    First off, we have Squall which is a decent character for a lot of the game. Sure, he was an ass to pretty much everyone, but I was used to that from Cloud in FFVII so no big deal. Ok, he doesn't want anyone ever getting closed to him because his "sis" left the orphange he was in when he was younger. Ok, that's a pretty big stretch there but I'll let that go. He throws himself into SeeD because we assume that it is something to believe in. That's fine, someone with no friends would commonly throw himself into his work. Then enter Rinoa. She confuses him about 99% of the time with what she says and does. We consistantly see evidence of this in his thoughts. But where's the attraction to her? Sure, they may be snippets of thoughts here and there but there is not enough internal dialogue to prove to me that he sees her as anything more than a pest of nuisance. He suddenl only really shows that he cares when Rinoa goes comatose, and I wouldn't mind that so long as the character's dialogue showed him starting down that path when he first met her. But I didn't get that at all. I understand the concept of someone not realizing what they have until they're faced with the possibility of losing it, but I don't agree with damn near an entire love story being based on that belief.

    Then to add more fuel to the fire by stating that I absolutely hate Rinoa. I mean, I have never seen a more selfish, impulsive, naïve girl in an RPG before in my life. From conducting plans while sitting on the floor of her train to being upset when she doesn't get her way to throwing a tantrum when the obviousness of a situation is presented to her in cold hard fact. She reminds me of a little girl who you have to hold hands with all the time and cries when she doesn't get her way. Granted, she does change a little bit as the game goes on, especially when she is comatose. I'm sorry, but I found nothing positive about her character, and the fact that the love story involves her is one of the reasons I hate it so. Like I mentioned earlier, I consider the Raine and Laguna love story to be better, and it only had about a half hours worth of dialogue and FMV at the end to support it, and I found that so much better and much more believable than Rinoa/Squall.

    And lets not forget the other characters who take a backseat to Rinoa and Squall. With the exception of Laguna, none of the other characters get any kind of decent treatment with the exception of the exact same backstory. Let's not forget, these kids are the Fated Children, and the all happened to grow up at the same orphange. What else is there to these characters? Zell's hometown gets invaded. Ok he wants to kick their asses. What else...oh wait that's it as far as Zell goes. Then there's Selphie who's Garden she was at before coming to Balamb was attacked and pretty much reduced to rubble. But she's ok again pretty soon and nothing else is said about it. We've got Mr. Arrogant sharpshooter Irvine who, apparently, can't actually pull the trigger when he needs to, but minutes later gets over it and finally pulls the trigger. Anything else about Irvine...nope. And then there's Quistis. Ok, she thinks she has an infatuation with Squall, but not really she's apparently only trying to take Ellone's place. She also apparently can't say something mean to someone without the need to apologize, despite possibly ruining her assignment. Well that pretty much says everything about her.

    But that's alright, I can withstand a plot I don't believe in and shoddy character so long as the gameplay is good. Oh wait, this is FFVIII, so I can't really do that. Like I said, I enjoy innovation, but whoever thought the idea of the battle system actually penalizing you for using magic deserves never to have any say in the development of games in the future. Because that's what FFVIII's gameplay did, it actually penalized you for using magic. Why? The Junction System. Now, I like the idea of junctioning to Guardian Forces to be able to access abilities (except for the Item command, which I think is stupid being it leads me to believe a character can use a potion with the GF's help but I digress). I thought that was a good idea. Junctioning magic to increase your stats? Hey, that wasn't a bad plan either. Horribly executed? Oh hell yeah it was. The idea that my character's stats would actually be lowered by using junctioned magic in battle was the stupidest thing I could ever imagine. I've never seen and RPG that acutally penalized you for the use of magic, and as a result of that, would damn near force the user to abandon using magic, which I did because I'm a stats whore and I didn't like to see my stats lowered for using magic, nor did I particularly care for finding a draw point for the magic I used so I can have a maximum supply too. And there's drawing too which is so mind numbingly boring its beyond description. Thank God for Triple Triad and the ability to refine the cards you won. The only problem with this method is that you'd still need to draw the higher level magic cause it'd take forever to get the cards you need to finally refine it, and drawing the Ultima spells from the Ultima weapon is not my idea of a fun time, nor do I find it particulary well thought out.

    And that's quite enough from me I think.
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    Originally posted by Advent Child
    I've seen enough of these stupid "I don't like this game" threads.

    NOBODY CARES.
    Really? This thread is getting a lot of replies for no one caring.

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    Well, FFVIII was the first RPG I ever played. Therefore, I wasn't biased in any way with opinions about RPG's. I was a tabla rasa if you will (blank slate).

    Anyway, I really enjoyed FFVIII. I think the characters were more dimensional than some people let on. But I don't care to elaborate because I don't care to read about why this game sucks, and I'm sure you FFVIII-haters feel the same, so I'll just say that I really liked the game.

    Oh, and actually, I DON'T care. There will always be people who love the game, and there will always be people who hate it. Why should it matter to me if somebody dislikes a game I like? There are much more important things to worry about, like how to eliminate the random rule in Triple Triad. ^_^, just kidding.

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    A lot of people care because people often care when someone makes an extremist statement about anything controversial. And FFVIII is.

    But I feel this thread should be about more than why we like or dislike the game.

    I'd be more interested to hear if anyone has actually changed their mind about FFVIII (or any game for that matter) based on someone else's argument.

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    I have learned to not let people's opinions change my views about things, especially games. personally, i don't really hate any game in the final fantasy series. sure, some of them get boring after a while when you can't figure out some puzzle, or maybe they are a little longer than we had hoped, but overall i think that no matter how good any video game is, there are always going to be those lousy parts, and we have two decisions, to either look only at that bad part and give the entire game a bad rating, or we can look at the rest of the game and think "hey, that wasn't that bad of a game". one example comes to mind, the stupid forced laughing scene in FFX, i have to admit that was pretty pathetic, but i didn't let that one stupid part ruin the rest of the game. Some games have more crappy parts than others, but it is up to us determine whether we want to pass judgement on the good parts or bad parts of a game.

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    wow thats a troll post if i ever saw one..

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    Originally posted by Advent Child and quite possibly lots of people out there
    I've seen enough of these stupid "I don't like this game" threads.

    NOBODY CARES.

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    People keep saying that "nobody cares," but there seems to be a lot of people posting in this thread that do care.

    I, for one, do care that FFVIII is complete and utter rubbish, and that's my opinion. I don't have to justify my opinion.
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    American Badboy, that is quite possibly one of the most accurate descriptions of ffVIII i have ever heard. it should go into gamefaqs review for ffVIII. as accurate as the description may be, i quite liked ffVIII alot, i have no idea why i must be crazy or somthing. so to sum it up im saying that i agree with what you said, but with a more positive outlook.
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    *Shakes my head over all the thoughts that FF8 is the best RPG ever, then promptly grabs my Planescape Torment-box and beats people silly*
    Now, I can live with people appreciating FF8, but a simple fact of life is that Planescape Torment is ten times the RPG FF8 is. (For starters, its properties as an RPG can't be debated, while the RP-ing elements in FF8 aren't in any abundance.)

    *Thoroughly agrees with American Badboy.*
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    Silent Warrior:
    a simple fact of life is that Planescape Torment is ten times the RPG FF8 is.
    How dumb is you? That's not a fact of life, that's your opinion!

    DocFrance:
    that's my opinion. I don't have to justify my opinion.
    You don't have to justify it, and I don't have to listen to it. Especially from some one who has anything to do with France.

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    Originally posted by Squall04
    You don't have to justify it, and I don't have to listen to it. Especially from some one who has anything to do with France.
    Ah, but you did! If you didn't want to listen to it, you wouldn't have responded to my thread at all. I win again!

    And I would justify my opinion, but it's been said by other people in this thread already. But I feel like talking about the character development, or lack thereof. Laguna was the only character who had any decent character development. None of the other characters changed at all, except for Squall, who changed from "Mr. Badass, whatever, I don't care about anyone" to "Oh, I love Rinoa more than life itself" at the drop of a hat! That's not good character development. Let's look at the other characters:

    Rinoa - selfish brat who wants to get back at daddy.
    Zell - he beats things with his fists and eats hotdogs.
    Quistis - icy cold, thinks she has a thing for Squall
    Selphie - wants to make things look oh-so-pretty
    Irvine - wants to bone Selphie, despite his performance anxiety
    Seifer - a psychotic

    Now, those character traits are great for a starting off point! In fact, that would make for a great story! The problem is, they don't change at all, despite events that happen that you would think would change them. The invasion of Balamb doesn't change Zell at all, Rinoa and Squall's love doesn't change Quistis at all, and the deaths of hundreds in the bombing of Trabia DON'T CHANGE SELPHIE AT ALL!

    If anybody can come up with any decent changes to these characters over the course of the story, I will resign my point. Other than that, FFVIII is rubbish.
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    When I started to play games I hated RPG, but when I saw Final Fantasy VIII first time I changed my mind. Now I'm play in many RPG even "MMORPG" but the FF8 is the best of it (didn't had any chanse to see FF10 yet)
    I finished FF9 only one time, but FF8 I'm starting 4th time.

    If u dont like FF8 then i think that you dont have the soul of a RPG player.

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    Originally posted by Derman
    If u dont like FF8 then i think that you dont have the soul of a RPG player.

    That is quite possibly the stupidest thing I have ever heard before. Because I don't like FF8, I don't have the soul of an RPG player? That's the biggest load of crap I've ever seen before.

    Let me give you a brief history lesson here. My first RPG was Super Mario RPG, and that was before I knew what a RPG even was. A few years later, I saw this game with a cool cover and a synopsis on the back that interested me. You know what game that was? FF8.

    At this point I knew what an RPG was, and I recognized the characteristics of the genre. And you know what I thought about the game the first time I played it? I thought it was pretty enjoyable. I'll never deny that I enjoyed the game the first time I played it, because it'd be a lie.

    However, after I was done with the game, I wanted to check out what the rest of the series had to offer. So I plyed FFVI & FFVII. You know what I found out about those games? That I enjoyed them more than FF8. At this point, I became a fan of the Final Fantasy series and RPGs in general, so I anxiously awaited the release of FFIX. And when that came out, I enjoyed that more than any of the other FFs I played. Then I started branching out into other RPGs. Grandia II, Skies of Arcadia, Lunar, Lunar II, and other Squaresoft RPGs like Parasite Eve, Xenogears, and Vagrant Story.

    Eventually, I realized what I liked most in an RPG, and now I look for those things more than anything else. A good story, character development, and nice gameplay. You know what I realized when I got around to replaying FF8? I didn't like it much anymore because the things I had grwon to appreciate in other RPGs I found lacking in FF8. Others disagree with me, and that is their right. Such is my right to argue when people try to tell me that FF8 had a good story, gameplay, characters etc like it was some kind of proven fact whereas it is actually just their opinion.

    So FF8 literally is the RPG that started me in the genre, and I will appreciate it for that. But I no longer consider a good game, and I consider too many things to be wrong with it for me to enjoy. So don't come to me and try to tell me that I don't have the soul of an RPG player because I no longer like your favorite RPG.
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    I have only been on the eyesonff.com forums for a little while, just one quick question, does anybody ever post anything positive?

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