FF8 Is Rubbish!

[Del Murder]

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[Silent Warrior]

Blanco: Hm... Difference in semantics. Lovely! I'll just go first, then.
My understanding of interactive movies: No, you don't change the main story itself (though Wing Commander's mission-tree is something to fear), but the character's reactions to you can be altered. Sure enough, FF8 does go there a little, but I really have to say it's a pathetic attempt. WC is excellence in that respect. At least until Prophecy. *Shrug* I guess WC and Torment has spoiled me.
So, can we settle for 'FF8 = Not-entirely-interactive movie'?
You said it yourself, 'for the most part doesn't change anything, save your ability to progress through the game'.

Anyway, I think I've said all I can say in this matter. You don't need to fear me spewing more gall in THIS topic.

[Trumpet Thief]

FF8 was my favorite Final Fnatasy. I enjoyed the plot, the characters, and the many cinematics.

:Spoiler:

My favorite part was that war scene between Balamb Garden and Galbadia, that was perfect.


Many parts of FF* were good to some, but to others, it had many cons. You can choose if FF8 is a good game by what you enjoy in an RPG

[Master Quan]

Fair point there riggel, well the answer is yes.

I love both FF9 and FF8 because of Cool Summons and bloody cool enemies including the amazing Catoblepas!!!

but I think we can all agree that if one Final fantasy HAS to be the worst ...

Then its FF x-2

P.S. Vivi ROX, and god bless you Rigell your Icon has VIVI on it.

[Flying Mullet]

I feel like starting this discussion over at the beginning.

FF8 Is Rubbish!

[celtcknight]

square was trying to appeal to the Britney Spears crowd with FFX-2, probably to recruit more fans. I was embarrased when I started playing it. but i got used to it

[bEoWuLfX]

My only problem with the game was the drawing of magics. I must have wasted 6 hours drawing magic from stupid monsters. I also dislike the fact that most of the FMV's were the same or reused. The best part of the game was the desperation moves that you could easily abuse and also the junctions. I got my level 8 sqaull to have 255 str. Another thing that really kinda frustrates me was the flying garden. It was sooo slow and it wasn't manuverable at all. Also I really didn't like the music for the game and found most the songs really annoying. It is still my 2nd favorite FF after Tactics because junctions are the best. Just turn the volume really low and you'll be fine.

[K-chan]

Moo Moo the Ner Cow:

I petition that we should ban all 'FFx game is sux' threads

Where do I sign up at? I mean, c'mon! Yeah, FF8 wasn't my fav game either, but I don't go ranting and raving about it.

[DocFrance]

Alright, I'm going to give an example of why FFVIII i a horrible game. The plot overlooks very important things in favor of seemingly trivial things. Case in point: the battle with Galbadia Garden.

Obviously, there's going to be a lot of people fighting. People fighting means people getting killed. I would have appreciated FFVIII a whole lot more if, after the fighting was over, they held a funeral service for all the dead SeeDs - from both Balamb and Galbadia. This would have been the perfect occasion for Squall and co. to question their lives and their motives for fighting. This would have brought to the table something that this game severely lacks - character development. Instead, the plot focused directly on Rinoa, and the dead SeeDs weren't even mentioned. Like they didn't matter at all.

Of course they didn't matter at all - Squall and Rinoa were the center of the universe.

[celtcknight]

Thats because death was too common of a thing in FF world. I mean hell, do you see people holding visuals after every battle or death in Iraq right now?

the game take splace in a miserable world like medieval times, or beter yet, that transition between the Roman Empire and British Empire. The major issue is world conquest and the loser... being slaves for eternity...etc. Who cares, at the moment, about funerals.

Also there are tribes and religions in this world that dont cellebrate or honor deaths like the Christian and other popular faiths. THe same could be said with FFVIII world. Even there book of genesis is quite different from ours. The great Hyne, got lazy, created sorceress...

Lota mispellings. Is there a spell check in here?

[Big D]

Originally posted by DocFrance
Alright, I'm going to give an example of why FFVIII i a horrible game. The plot overlooks very important things in favor of seemingly trivial things. Case in point: the battle with Galbadia Garden.

Obviously, there's going to be a lot of people fighting. People fighting means people getting killed. I would have appreciated FFVIII a whole lot more if, after the fighting was over, they held a funeral service for all the dead SeeDs - from both Balamb and Galbadia. This would have been the perfect occasion for Squall and co. to question their lives and their motives for fighting. This would have brought to the table something that this game severely lacks - character development. Instead, the plot focused directly on Rinoa, and the dead SeeDs weren't even mentioned. Like they didn't matter at all.

Of course they didn't matter at all - Squall and Rinoa were the center of the universe.

That very point is my biggest qualm about FFVIII, the one thing that divorced its characters and plot too far from reality. Personally, I adore FFVIII for many reasons I won't bother going into, but the complete denial of the consequences of battle and death was just ridiculous, or at the very least they were sugar-coating the issue to make the game "nice" and less gritty than FFVII, where death is very real to the characters.

[DocFrance]

Originally posted by celtcknight
Thats because death was too common of a thing in FF world. I mean hell, do you see people holding visuals after every battle or death in Iraq right now?

the game take splace in a miserable world like medieval times, or beter yet, that transition between the Roman Empire and British Empire. The major issue is world conquest and the loser... being slaves for eternity...etc. Who cares, at the moment, about funerals.

Also there are tribes and religions in this world that dont cellebrate or honor deaths like the Christian and other popular faiths. THe same could be said with FFVIII world. Even there book of genesis is quite different from ours. The great Hyne, got lazy, created sorceress...

Lota mispellings. Is there a spell check in here?

OK, first - are you implying that nobody cares about the soldiers who die in Iraq right now? What about their families and their friends? I can guarantee you that each and every dead soldier in Iraq is given a proper funeral. You'd think, in the case of FFVIII, that they would have some form of service for their fallen comrades-in-arms.

Second - you say they didn't have time for a funeral, and that other things were more important? Well, the obviously had time to stop and chat with Edea for a bit, and let Squall groan and whine about Rinoa.

Third - that really is a moot point. You base your argument on the fact that they *might* have different beliefs. Meanwhile, I have never heard of a society of humans on the face of the Earth, in all of history, that does not honor their dead in some way or form. Hell, even cannibals do.

Fourth - there's a spell check button right next the the submit reply button.

[aeris2001x2]

cant we just say that squall was too self involved with his own problems and rinoa? i,m sure the dead were honoured but the game just didnt show it?

i know this sterms from the fact that ppl hate squalls selfishness over himself and rinoa. the theme of ff8 was love but it can appear such an imature and selfish love sometimes and also presents ff8 as a soap or "chick flick" 2 some ppl.

but lets not be so harsh. squall was 17 and very surly and aloof. he was a kid. the whole game was from the perspective of these kids and the reality of death was not truely with them. its only before ultimecia and time compression this reality stares them in the face.

of course u would like to think that this tale was a coming of age story but the last fmv is the 1 i hate the most and have seen the least. god ff8 has sum sucky features!

why am i defending this crap anyway? kupo!. meh, i,m just a kid.

[Fuzakeru]

I like FF8. Seifer = rwar.

[celtcknight]

Originally posted by DocFrance
OK, first - are you implying that nobody cares about the soldiers who die in Iraq right now? What about their families and their friends? I can guarantee you that each and every dead soldier in Iraq is given a proper funeral. You'd think, in the case of FFVIII, that they would have some form of service for their fallen comrades-in-arms.

Second - you say they didn't have time for a funeral, and that other things were more important? Well, the obviously had time to stop and chat with Edea for a bit, and let Squall groan and whine about Rinoa.

Third - that really is a moot point. You base your argument on the fact that they *might* have different beliefs. Meanwhile, I have never heard of a society of humans on the face of the Earth, in all of history, that does not honor their dead in some way or form. Hell, even cannibals do.

Fourth - there's a spell check button right next the the submit reply button.

1st, No im not implying that "i dont care," my whole family is in the military. And yes, they are given a proper funeral and burial in this christian based society. But it is not emphasized like you prefer in the game. They may have had funerals and burials during the whole game. It wasnt part of the storyline, like FFX was. The story is about remnants of an old war firing up. Obviously, honoring the dead was an avoided issue in the game, just like you dont hear about funeral services for every soldier and sailor that have died, only, if anything, that they had died.

Third, research cultures and traditions, especially dead ones. Do not base your counter argument on popular religions or ones that popular society deem "more important." There are less recognized dead cultures in the world. some eat their dead. For example, some native American indian tribes believe it to be improper to speak of the dead. The qwuestion is how did they die? if in war, the respect is by not speaking of them, and therefore no funeral service.

Fourth, Thanx, didnt notice it before.