FF8 Is Rubbish!

[DocFrance]

1st - It was after a large battle. I would certainly hope that they'd have some service for their fallen. You say it was an avoided issue, and I say that avoiding it made it a bad game in my eyes.

3rd - So? They're still honoring the dead. Still, it's a moot point. Why? There are plenty of graves in this world - in particular, (SPOILER)the graves at Trabia Garden and Raine's grave. Graves usually imply that there's some sort of funeral service. Saying that there have been cultures in the past that do things differently doesn't mean that this one is the same. And yes, I am going to base my assumption of "popular" cultures, because a lot of other things in FFVIII are based on popular cultures. If the people in FFVIII cannibalized their dead, you'd think they'd mention that somewhere, wouldn't you?

[Sephex]

Originally posted by Advent Child
I've seen enough of these stupid "I don't like this game" threads.

NOBODY CARES.

Just reminding everyone.

[celtcknight]

Yea i would say they would mention if they ate their dead...etc. Their are many remnants of, i read in other thread, Taoism influence. Whether true or not is just another debate. I dont know anything about Taoism and Hinduism enough to identify it in the game, but cetainly other people have.

When squall and party walk through the dead white seeds before entering ultys, they comment on the seeds fighting across generations and...walk right around them to the final stage. Would a funeral service been optimal at this point? They had a job to do, to avoid more deaths, and "slavery for eternity."

They are caught up in the war moment. Funerals didnt happen in vietnam in the battle field in the 70s. Yes they were brought home and acknowledged, burried...etc. but not at vietnam, (where the story is taking place). If anyone began to mourn, theyd be killed themselves. The FF world was a battle field.

These seeds are trained to kill. Mourning is left for civilians during the battle. When it is all over, then yes, this is where they could have had some sort of funeral to acknowledge the dead. It would have taken place after the celebration though...after the game ends. Basically it did with SPOILER Raines Grave, but it had nothing do do with battle, it was part of the plot (Raine being squalls mother)

But simply, it isnt part of the story. And it can be hated for that. The creators are trying to capture real combat mentality, when all that matters is you and your squad staying alive to finish the task, nothing else. Its a conflict between civilians at home and soldiers in combat. They dont see things eye to eye (like shooting children-soldiers can be seen as wrong to some and "thank god he didnt shoot me first" to others)

Second, (forgot) And taking time to talk to Edea, part of the plot of Squall and Rinoa. Rinoa is his first thing close to livlihood, his motivation to continue fighting.

[Del Murder]

Originally posted by Sephex
Just reminding everyone.

Taking the time to find that post and quote actually shows that you do, Sephex. Nice try though.

[DocFrance]

Originally posted by celtcknight
But simply, it isnt part of the story. And it can be hated for that.

Yes it can. The creators decided to neglect a very important aspect of war - death - and I don't like this game because of it. Are you trying to tell me I'm wrong?

Of course there weren't funerals on the battlefield of Viet Nam. Once any soldier dies, you're not going to stop what you're doing and hold a funeral service and bury him while the enemy is shooting at you. But I'm talking about when the fighting was over.

All I'm saying is that by exploring that simple aspect, the creators could have added a whole lot more depth to a very shallow story.

[celtcknight]

No, you said you didnt like it because they didnt have any funerals in the game, and from there they can develoep their attitudes towards life. The game clearly portreyed death with the dead bodies strung everywhere and gravestones, and many other things we havent mentioned. Just no actual funerals. It wasnt essential to the story. It was a battle for life and freedom...(you know that whole "die in hopes for others to live" jargon)

I can't tell you what to like or dislike. Death is an aspect of war and they portreyed it in a way you dont agree with.

And anyway, they did that at trabia with all the wounded and dead people. They all reflected on life and remembered the vital things... Just not as a formal event.

Or wait a minute, maybe noone even dies in battle in the game. Theyre all just KOed. And when they last person on one side is Koed, the battle is over and the standing side wins and revives the other side. Seriously, just thought of that, party members dont die. And those battling between the gardens were using magic also.

alot of crap could have been added to the story, its a debate, argument as to why they didnt. it leads back to my theory that it was just incase they wanted to make a FFVIII-2, they had something towork with. And if not, they leave it up to us to complete.

[Sephex]

Originally posted by Del Murder
Taking the time to find that post and quote actually shows that you do, Sephex. Nice try though.

Damn it! You discovered my RUSE!!!!!

[admat97]

I love FFVIII! Good plot or not. I only wonder why someone would come to post on an FFVIII message board when they don't like the game.

[Flying Mullet]

Because they don't like FFVIII and this is for discussing why you do or don't like it.

[admat97]

Because they don't like FFVIII and this is for discussing why you do or don't like it.

Oh I'm sorry...I was confused...I thought this was a FFVIII "fan site"

[Flying Mullet]

No, actually it's not. This is a forum for the discussion of FFVIII, both good and bad.

[Big D]

Yep. Eyes on FF is a Final Fantasy fan-site, but that doesn't mean people have to adore every FF, or like everything about all the games.

I enjoy FFVIII, a heck of a lot actually, but there are things I don't approve of. Just my opinion; but threads like this allow us to share our opinions on matters like that.

Anyway, back on topic please...

[Squall2]

i think ff8 is the best game,apart from ff10, in final fantasy 9 whats with the half animal people? the story is crap and well the game play is worse than any other FF.
Just one question, why did they re-realese FF1,2,3,4,5,6 on PS1?
The PS1 is capable of better graphics than that, but then again it is about gameplay.

[aeris2001x2]

they didnt release ff3 and they r fantastic games. and its about opinion, most would not agree ff8 is better then ff9. please dont come on with such an arrogant post. sos, not a flame, just a comment.

christ, how arrogant do i sound above? hypocrite, hypocrite, hypocrite....

[admat97]

square was trying to appeal to the Britney Spears crowd with FFX-2, probably to recruit more fans. I was embarrased when I started playing it. but i got used to it

I feel the same way!! I got FFX-2 for my b-day. I took a look at it and wondered why someone would make such a girlie game.(but that is another forum) I will give it a try...after I finish FFVIII.

I still love FFVIII. contrary to other opinions, I love the draw system. I wish I could junction more abilities at one time though. Yes, it is time consuming...but RPG's in general are lengthy. I never liked "shoot em up, kill em all" types of games. They appeal to the ADD mentality. (just an expression...no offense please)

No...the creators of this game are not literary genius'. If I wanted that, I would read a really good book. I like to play because after a full day of working, childcare, cleaning, cooking and all of those other very "responsible" things, I get to go into my bedroom, close the door and relax for a little while. Everything in my life is so hectic...RPG's are a way to just get away.

I remember playing Crystalis on nintendo. (the first nintendo) (does anyone else remember this?) I was so excited ...but when I finished it, I thought "what just happened?" I expected balloons and streamers...I was very disappointed! I think the first FF came out back then...i dont remember though. (I am a member of the C.R.A.F.T. club)