The mystery of Sephiroth (Big Spoilers)

[Draupnir2005]

I think that the storyline was never meant to go this far, personally. I think Squaresoft meant it to be about Sephiroth wanting to become a god like figure, and whatever was said was to be taken face value. I think that what we have here, is a bunch of people who have read so far into it, they have found meanings Squaresoft never meant to write, and now because of this we have a argument that is hard to answer.

I, myself think that Tifa and Sephiroth are the main evils. However, I feel that maybe what we are arguing here will be answered in Advent Children, although maybe not. Maybe Square-Enix read these threads and laugh. I'm sure though, if Advent Children did explain this... More arguments would arise.

P.S. This is my first post... Hi Y'all.

[Erdrick Holmes]

So wait, Cloud can only remember being a 1st class officer in soldier to help Sephiroth with the reactor situation. But what really happens is that Cloud's memories were only altered to what Tifa remembers because of the Jenova Cells Cloud had injected into him by Hojo. Am I right or is there something else? And when Cloud first returns to Nibelhiem everyone keeps saying that the town never burned down five years ago, did it burn down or did it get rebuilt and the citizens just have some kind of Jenova related mindflush?

[Kawaii Ryûkishi]

At Nibelheim, five years ago, Cloud was really just one of those faceless sub-SOLDIER soldier guys, but having been so messed up by Hojo's experiments (and since his dream of many years had been to join SOLDIER and impress Tifa), he took on Zack's memories and role in the Nibelheim story. If you remember the photograph of Sephiroth, Zack, and Tifa, what Cloud basically did was mentally paste his own picture over Zack.

Since those helmets cover the soldier guys' faces, Tifa never knew that Cloud had been there five years ago; she honestly thought that the last time they had seen each other before Midgar was when he went off to join SOLDIER seven years ago. So, when Cloud finally comes back to his senses, he actually recalls the whole story, which is more than just what Tifa knows about what happened.

The current citizens of Nibelheim claim that the town never burned down because Shin-Ra wants to cover the incident up; those "citizens" are just actors on the company payroll. The black-cloaked Sephiroth "clones" who show up on the way to the Reunion are the survivors from the fire and massacre five years ago, who were gathered up and entered into the Jenova Project when they were found. They hang out inside the houses in town because, after all, that's where they used to live.

[Erdrick Holmes]

So Cloud sorta made up the story of being in SOLDIER dispite the fact that he never made it?

[The Man]

His mind made the story up. He actually believed that he had been in SOLDIER for most of the course of the game; it was only during his experience in the Lifestream that he finally began to sort things out, I believe.

Kishi got pretty much everything right. Earlier in this thread I think I posted that there's nowhere in the game that Jenova is noted as having the ability to shapeshift, but people from FFOnline pointed out several passages that noted that very thing when I brought it up about two weeks ago. So yeah, that's another nail in the coffin for all arguments except Fake Sephiroth Is Jenova.

[Starcrest]

In the flashback, if Cloud was in fact stabbed in the shoulder, how would he find the strength to lift up like a 6ft sword with a (lets guess) somewhere between 150-220 pound guy?

[aeris2001x2]

it was clearly the inner strength he possessed fueled by his self-loathing for his perceived weakness, love for Tifa and hatred for Sephiroth. just view it as his lv 5 limit or his spiritual power coming to the surface.

[Lehteb]

Cloud has always been stronger than he thought he was as a child/ young man. He doesn't recognize his own true strength until after he comes out of the lifestream.

Oh, and everyone in the world (or at least those who are reading this) needs to read FF7 Mythologies, by John Brittenham. A small section of this was quoted by astrognats, but the full article (mine is 21 pages...) is a good overview of the true story of FF7.

[Starcrest]

I agree with that he was fueld by anger and rage and other what not, but of the sword was lodged in his shoulder, and in the space from shoulder to arm, that would cause a great deal of pain...and that swords huge, and probably weighs alot even WITHOUT the 150-220 pound guy at the end

[Draupnir2005]

Shiva's Effect, are you calling Sephiroth obese? I'm 6 foot 3 inches and I weigh less than that- and I ain't skinny.

[Starcrest]

I'm not calling ne one obese. I know a wrestler Jeff Hardy he's 6' 2" and he weighs 210, so i was guessing, that's about average for his age and height

EDIT- I'm like 5' 8" and i weigh 167lbs, so, yeah

[nickwilson]

man this is a long thread. oh well the people that made the game put the open story line just for this reason. to keep people thinking of a game or story. so if they wanted to bring it back people would jump at it. like the ff avc movie coming out soon. i will go to it. ok now to the point if there is any. Sephiroth is a clone and a image but only through the cell or genes of jenova that is millions of years old that needs help from the very thing she hates humans. but jenova finds out the Sephiroth is "part" of her and make him her "son" the work together but try to out minipulate each other after they learn each others plans and the truth about each other. cloud tifa 13 were put to work by both trying to get what they wanted one to rule and one to destory in the end the both lost. to the one enemy they both hated cloud was human and cloud killed Sephiroth. they thought that together they would make him a puppet like the clone or "towns people" if u go that route. but in the end good wins and the world is safe and cloud becomes a cross dresser lol sorry had to put that in. they need more humar in games that get to hard core the mood needs to lighten like in disgaea hour of darkness it is funny and a good tactics game if u like thoughs i do. sorry for the none ff refrence. :rolleyes2 but i would have to say that this is one of the most indepth threads if have read. talk to u later have to chech downloads of the ff avc trailer 1 and 2 bye

[Starcrest]

of course it's indepth, so much stuff to talk about, so much stuff to argue about, it's almost endless...besides this is onea the most badass's main evil character since like.....a while