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    I don't drive at all simply because my conscience does not allow me. Enviromental resons, basically. So I ride my bike when I need to get somewhere, and if it's very far I might take the bus. In the area of alternative power sources I admire the japanese car manufacturers for producing many car models that run on electricity and hydrogen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowdust
    That's all fine and dandy if you work locally but a lot of people have to commute over long distances because of a lack of jobs in their area.
    my school is 15 miles away. I'd have to get up at 2 in the morning to ride there and I wouldn't have any fingers left after the winter.
    anyhow, although it sounds like the same rhetoric you've always heard, opec is to blame. 50% of all american oil is domestic. 25% is south american. 15% is from other non arab nations. 10% is kuwait. the problem is that in a global marked however much one supplier raises their prices the other's will raise more. you can't ween america off of energy, and we won't accept more expensive sources. we need fuel cells, and a massive nuclear plant. meltdowns aren't as frequent as muckrackers make them out to seem. we need a lot of cheap energy. Nuclear
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    Heh, I hear you all go on and on about why you think your gas prices are getting higher and higher and I still don't see anyone name a good reason. I think I know why you people there in the US are suffering from those high prices, and believe it or not, it has to do with the stupid little ugly @@#!@!!@#@#$!$%#@$^!#@%!!#&^!#$%^!$##$%#%!#$$%!&*^$(@#$~%@%!#$^!^ that I now have for a "president". If you want to know more, look for Venezuela.

    And please, if there is anything you can do to help us down here, I'd really appreciate it.
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    so you'd rather elect a fool who want's to raise the gas prices with a monsterous gas tax. You can't incite me to find different forms of transportation out of the county, and that's not one of the 18 enumerated powers of the constitution. Believe it or not, most of what congress has done in the last half century is unconstitutional: congress is only allowed to do 18 things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clyde Arronway
    so you'd rather elect a fool who want's to raise the gas prices with a monsterous gas tax.
    Uhm....who's this directed to Clyde?
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    It's asking you (seriously, not sarcastically) if you'd rather elect Kerry since it's clear he'll make it much worse.
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    I don't think either Presidential candidate can help the gas prices right now. With the problems in Iraq, it's likely that the entire Middle East will be an even bigger problem, regardless of the outcome.

    What needs to be done, is find alternatives to gasoline, or else, we'll always have to have a vested interest in countries we probably shouldn't be sticking our nose into.

    Take care all.

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    The US has some of the lowest gas prices in the western world. It probablly SHOULD be taxed more, so we stop wasting the stuff.

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    From what I've heard, the US have the cheapest petrol prices anywhere in the world. It is also responsible for most of the world's pollution.

    The reason why petrol is getting more expensive is that it's running out. Everywhere in the world. In a few years there won't be a drop left. I guess you'll all have to get used to your bipedal nature again. It's going to be paradise for me. I hate cars.
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    Like I've said before, we need to stop burning the stuff ASAP so we can still make plastic...

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    The high gas prices are probably due to the fact that at some point in the near future there will not be any oil left. Thus, we could blame God, for not making enough when he created the earth. Of course, it would be more logical to blame ourselves, our parents, and our grandparents for wasting it all. I don't think gas prices are going to go down anytime soon, and new oil sure isn't appearing very fast, so I think it might be a good idea to find a new fuel and power source.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clyde Arronway
    It's asking you (seriously, not sarcastically) if you'd rather elect Kerry since it's clear he'll make it much worse.
    Uhm... sorry Clyde, can't answer that question, as I can't elect any of your presidents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zendust1
    Uhm... sorry Clyde, can't answer that question, as I can't elect any of your presidents.
    "you'd" is a contration for "You would." it means essentially: which candidate do you want to win. I know you may not have an opinion, and it seems that you have implied that your citizenship is not american, so you couldn't vote, but america has the power to doom or change the world. Who do you want in power here.

    Anywhoo... the plastic argument is one I hadn't heard before. It's good. But if we want to stop using oil it will involve temporarily going in the opposite direction. We need to cut funding to large portions of economically opressive government orginizations and develop our technology. The US government has a lot of power to make us advance. Though we're going up fast on a nano-scale, we need to advance on a macro scale. That means Huge better energy sources (Gamma radiation flies towards earth each day. It's virtually infinitly more powerful than solar. Orbital sattelites to collect it before the ozone layer destroys it and then send one really big beam to a collection plant on earth.) and most important: fuel cells! Most of the stuff in your house was created or influnced indirectly by the space program. If bush gets his space initiative through, it will benefit us much more than any welfare programs or EPA would.
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    I remember in places like France, gas equivalently is about $4.70/gal.

    In Carcarus or some country like that, gas is 14cents/gal, equivalently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonflame
    The high gas prices are probably due to the fact that at some point in the near future there will not be any oil left. Thus, we could blame God, for not making enough when he created the earth. Of course, it would be more logical to blame ourselves, our parents, and our grandparents for wasting it all. I don't think gas prices are going to go down anytime soon, and new oil sure isn't appearing very fast, so I think it might be a good idea to find a new fuel and power source.
    This is of course if you believe in God.

    But remember, most cars, even hybrids, are 15% efficient. The rest of the potential energy in gasoline goes off as heat.

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