Yes, it might have been, but we were trying to do it for the right reasons.
Yes, it might have been, but we were trying to do it for the right reasons.
<i>"So, make sure to remember what someone else's forefathers did for someone else on this day."</i> - King Bahamut
If you don't want to do what he asks of you, don't post.
Inconsiderate people.
Yeah but they didnt do anything for me ever besides kill people in my family.
I did what he asked of me, I do rememeber; just not from the same point of view.Originally posted by Linus
<i>"So, make sure to remember what someone else's forefathers did for someone else on this day."</i> - King Bahamut
If you don't want to do what he asks of you, don't post.
Inconsiderate people.
Anon say I.
Please correct me if I'm mistaken, but the Mexican government didn't try especially hard to enforce its anti-slavery on the Texans. Thus, the Texas revolution was not about slavery, because Santa Anna wasn't bothering to punish the few Texans who owned slaves.Originally posted by Doomgaze
Yes, we should all honor those brave Texans who fought to the death because those dastardly Mexicans wouldn't let them own slaves!
And also, if you're going to bring the beliefs of each side into this thread, I hope you're not going to leave out Santa Anna's. Because, as we all know, he was such a wonderful person.
Geez, this thread is just getting better and better....
Ya know what? These brave Texans did this for me. If they wanted to own slaves, fine! That wasn't the cause of the revolution. Santa Anna really did not CARE if they owned slaves. He was against slavery, but he wasn't an abolitionist. Americans settled Texas, and they were all Americans, who believed in democracy. Santa Anna was, I'm afraid, a DICTATOR. They did not want to be ruled by a dictator. It had nothing to do with them being Mexican. Killing 1,000 soldiers because they flew the flag of ZERO MERCY in the heat of battle is actually quite an honorable thing in this world. It was much better than the Mexican army, who slaughtered their prisoners one by one on a field at Goliad. That turns them into Milosevices.
Thank you. I forgot to mention Goliad. At least when the Texans slaughtered the Mexicans at the Alamo the Mexicans had a chance to fight back. If anyone can think of a good reason why the Mexicans should be considered the good guys in the Texas revolution I would love to hear it, but, I'm pretty sure the earlier comparison of the Texans to the Nazis has been mostly proven wrong.
Can i mention rourkes drift 176 infantry soldiers against 13,000 zulus. And a micheal cain film
Your sig is too hilarious and witty, thus i have removed it to protect the minds of all forum goers
-The allways inspiring leeza
What does a Michael Cain film have to do with this thread?
The war was pointless, no side was good. The Texans revolted against the Mexicans becasue they felt different than the rest of the country? That is bull!@#$, that is just like saying the Latinos should revolt against the United States in the southern states simply because they "feel different".Originally posted by Dragonflame
If anyone can think of a good reason why the Mexicans should be considered the good guys in the Texas revolution I would love to hear it, but, I'm pretty sure the earlier comparison of the Texans to the Nazis has been mostly proven wrong.
Anon say I.
Actually, they weren't getting a voice in their government, because Santa Anna was a dictator. There was an overwhelming majority of whites in Texas, as opposed to Mexicans, and they weren't even getting to assemble to decide matters amongst themselves. Their freedoms were being put in the hands of an arbitrary man 100% (Santa Anna), and they would much rather live in a democracy. Thus, they revolted.
Who had the brilliant idea of casting Billy Bob in the upcoming movie? Seriously, I think any film will only cheapen this event. Same thing goes for whenever a 9/11 film comes out.
Take care all.
"Yes, we should all honor those brave Texans who fought to the death because those dastardly Mexicans wouldn't let them own slaves!" ---Doomgaze
That about sums up the mantality of it...plain and simple.
Well, I hate the south anyway, so no, the Alamo can go into the trash heap along with the rest of the horrible history that region of the US has. Anyone who says "lets celebrate the killing of a bunch of people simply because they wanted to deny the human rights of and kill even MORE people which those people they fought wouldn't let them do! Who cares how *****ed up there objective was! LETS CELEBRATE" is just...sick. I say just shoot them all in the face with the guns they oh so love and used to kill the people who wouldn't 'let them' have slaves.
That war was pointless and horrid, an a bunch of people died for a horrible cause. There were no 'good guys'...it just makes me sick to see that people are celebrating this crap.
FORGET THE ALAMO!
I like Kung-Fu.
You have very little reason to hate the south. And geez, I'm a Southerner, and I'm proud of that, but never have I said that I hate the North. I said that I don't agree with Northerners' views on most things, but hating people based on where they live...no. And because we are "The South", and not up to your "absurd standards", that does not mean that you can scrap out our history.
Thank you for threatening to shoot me and the rest of my "kind" in the face. And you seem to only be paying attention to the arguments that make your views count. The battle of the Alamo was something that shouldn't be forgotten, as it was a small group against overwhelming odds who refused to show any mercy, despite the fact that they outnumbered the Texans 30:1. The bloodshed, no, that is not what should be celebrated. However, the honor and passion that those soldiers displayed...the refusal to surrender because you knew that they would line you and your breathren up and shoot you, one by one...that should be honored. They could have run...but they didn't, because they believed in democracy, and not submitting to the will of a dictator who happened to despise you.
AND FOR THE LAST TIME: SLAVERY WAS NOT THE CAUSE OF THE TEXAS REVOLUTION, NEITHER WAS IT THE CAUSE OF THE AMERICAN CIVIL WAR*. IT WAS THE SAME BASIS FOR THAT OF THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION: THEY WANTED TO HAVE A DEMOCRACY IN PLACE, NOT A GOVERNMENT IN WHICH ONE MAN CONTROLLED ALL. (except with the American Revolution it was Parliament, not made up of a single colonist)
*the cause of the American Civil War was in the hands of governmental supremacy. The North felt that the Federal Government should be supreme; the South felt that State Governments should decide.
And wanting to have your own government is a horrible cause? Then I guess the American Revolution, French Revolution, as well as countless other revolutions were "horrible causes."
Please don't treat my heritage like that. I don't say that any history that the North has should be thrown away, because it shouldn't. I choose not to forget any history, as we can learn from it. Please don't forget our history.
A bit too much arguing going on here, sorry
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