Notice how many of the "Axis of Evil" (or whatever you're calling the states you bomb because wars can be reported whereas covert action cannot) began to co-operate after the US's show of force in Iraq? I wonder why that was? --Duo

Faulty analogy. Did the US plant bombs on trains and say "Do what we say or we'll kill innocent people on purpose"? No. The US said "Attack us and we'll defend ourselves". Did the US go attack France because they didn't aid us? Did we go kill random innocent French people? Obviously not.

I wonder why that was? Of course, when we do it it's okay because we have Democracy and God on you sides, right?

I'm not sure who you're talking to now, since no one has said anything similar to that. "Attacking a really valid point and i'm impressed by your thinking." is the name of the particular logical fallacy you're using.

Hmm, I see. Terrorists are actually to blame for their enemies actions. WOW THAT MAKES LOADSA SENSE.

Whoever attacks first is to blame. Say someone starts a high-speed chase with the police, and the police wreck and hit a school bus in the process and kill little kids. Would you blame the policemen for being murderers? No, you'd blame the criminal who made the police chase NECESSARY.

Say the car was full of explosives and headed for a school building, and the cop has a choice; ram the car off the road, and possibly kill one or two innocent people standing there, or do nothing and let far, far more almost certainly be killed. The cop doesn't KNOW what will happen if he lets the car go. He only has his judgment; he knows it's extremely likely that letting the car go = thousands dead, and ramming the car = 2 dead.. Should the cop say "I can't purposefully kill innocent people! It's wrong!", and so do nothing, and let thousands die? Or should he make his best effort to minimize death?

Should we tip-toe around, being sure not to hurt anyone but evil people, and in the process, through not giving our best effort, allow those evil people to escape and kill even MORE innocent people in the long run?

Yet, looking at it from the terrorists persepctives, surely WE are to blame for their actions? Since you could argue that our killing of people in their countries is what moved them to act against innocent people

If terrorized the terrorists without provocation, we would be to blame, and they'd have the right to defend themselves. We haven't.

Congrats! You're an extremist! You probably have more in common with the terrorists than the moderates on your own side! Now go blow up a hospital because you have Good/God/something else on your side!

Feel free to show me how I'm wrong instead of resorting to mockery and name-calling. It doesn't help your argument.

I also find it funny, you expect the terrorists to be perfectly reasonable when we attack them, and when they attack us, they're EVIL. What the ****?

I expect people not to attack us to begin with, and then they'll be left alone. If they do attack us, I expect them to die, or be captured and thrown into prisons.

I don't know if I can even comment on that. Anyone thinking it's their duty to kill innocents because they used their own (flawed human) logic to come to that conclusion is a terrorist to those innocent groups you feel you must kill. --Guu

You're saying I should let terrorists kill me if they happen to be ruthless enough to use innocent people as tools to kill me. So you believe that being the most ruthless and evil person in a conflict should decide the victor? And you believe avoiding killing one person in the short-term is OK, even if a thousand more will die in the future because of inaction?

So logic is automatically flawed because it's human? Then I can safely disregard your comments. Thanks.

If it's going to save lives, give them the damn sandwich. --Emerald Aeris

How do you know it will save lives? You have exactly ONE piece of evidence to lead you to that conclusion: the guy with the bombs tells you if you appease him, he'll be good. You have no guarantee other than the word of a murderer.

Kill the guy, and you are 100% guaranteed he will do nothing. Why are you willing to gamble with innocent lives?

If you're killing innocents to get to the bad guys, aren't you just as bad as them? Just because you were attacked first doesn't mean that you're not killing people!

I would be killing people because I was forced to do so. It would be no different than if someone put the gun in my hand and pulled the trigger for me.

I think we should focus on the preservation of life, you seem to think we should stand up to evil at all costs.

No, I also focus on the preservation of life. I believe that standing up to evil at all costs saves more lives in the long run than letting the world be run and overrun by criminals.

I think it should be handled like a hostage situation. You don't just barge in, because then lives will be lost.

Absolutely. All effort should be given to avoid innocent deaths. But in hostage situations, the bad guy DOES get taken down eventually. He is never let to go free. And if he DOES start shooting hostages, and he has more in there with him, then the cops DO barge in and start shooting, don't they? They don't go on a rampage and kill every innocent person they see. But neither do they tiptoe in and let themselves be killed because they're too hesitant to do what needs to be done, or just sit outside and hope nothing bad happens, or give the bad guy whatever he wants and pretend everything will be OK now. Taking innocent life is something that absolutely should be avoided at all costs, but to say it's never, ever justified is wrong. And to say that it's the fault of the people who are being victimized by the bad guys in the first place is also wrong.

I don't think killing innocent people to prevent deaths that might happen is right.

Your "might happen" is very weak, if a terrorist has already killed people, and has the means and the will to do so again. I don't know how much more certain you can be that the threat is real, and the chances of more innocent deaths at the hands of terrorists is almost a certainty.