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[War Angel]

It was really long ago, but it's kind of ironic they were the terrorists at first.

Only against British military targets, which makes them guerilla combatants, not terrorists. There were obscure organizations which also held attacks on Arab population, but they were outcast lunatics, and their name rings dread now-a-days. They were never celebrated as heroes like the Palestinians do to their 'martyrs'.

I gave up most of my personal freedom to protect the freedom of others, and I'll probably end up putting my life on the line for that very reason some time in the future.

Such is the duty of a soldier in a democratic nation. You fight, so that others won't even know what fighting is. You protect them, their blissful ignorance, and you should treat every insult hurled at you, and every anti-war rally as your ultimate success as a military man.

[Big D]

There are extremists on all sides, as the Israel-Palestine situation clearly shows.
[q=War Angel]Only against British military targets, which makes them guerilla combatants, not terrorists.[/q] A terrorist is a terrorist, I thought there was no middle-ground. "Freedom fighter", "guerilla", "terrorist"... it all depends on one's opinion. Most of the Al Qaeda fighters in Afghanistan were detained as terrorists, even though they were captured while fighting against the soliders of the US and others.

Since when did military lives matter less than anyone else's? Those British soliders were there to protect peace, but terrorists attempted to murder them for that very reason. Saying that they were "only" military is like saying that Al Qaeda's attack on the Pentagon was less serious because it's "only" a military target.

Israeli terrorism is by no means a relic of the past, either. Yitsak Rabin was murdered by one of his countrymen when peace started looming too close, running the risk of ending several generations of hatred and bloodshed.

[gokufusionss1]

Only against British military targets, which makes them guerilla combatants, not terrorists

oh i didn't realise the king david hotel was a military base and it's 76 guests were all soldiers, my mistake

[Moxie]

Originally posted by Nemesis the Warlock
So how do you compare Sharon's actions (killing murderers who threaten the existence of all the people who voted for him) to Yassin's action (killing women and children who never did squat to him)?

Sharon takes bribes, Yassin is a spirital leader, thus his title "Sheik"

[War Angel]

A terrorist is a terrorist, I thought there was no middle-ground. "Freedom fighter", "guerilla", "terrorist"... it all depends on one's opinion.

Guerilla warfare is a legitimate act of war against an occupying foreign\domestic military force, where the ones opposing the military force are not soldiers themselves. It is not terrorism. Terrorism is the attack on civilians, for the purpose of achieving political, personal or whatever ends.

Since when did military lives matter less than anyone else's?

A soldier is armed, trained, and is ready to kill or be killed. That's the difference between him and a 9 year-old kid, for example.

oh i didn't realise the king david hotel was a military base and it's 76 guests were all soldiers, my mistake

Like I said, there were terrorist organizations amidst the Jewish society prior to the Jewish state in 1948. Also, this attack on King David hotel (where a lot of Jews died too, mind you) brought an end to the organization which commited it (Etsel, if I am not mistaken), and anyone who had any part in this was not seen again. If this had happened today with the Arabs, they'd probably be celebrating the event, instead of casting out those who did it.

Sharon takes bribes, Yassin is a spirital leader, thus his title "Sheik"

Yassin had no official religious authority. And 'spiritual leader' my shoe - the man was behind many, many actions. He was a cunning man, as Israel tried to finish him off a few times before, but failed.

[DocFrance]

There's a huge difference between a terrorist and a guerilla. A guerilla only target military assets and personnel. This isn't terrorism, because the military is used to attack and defend. A terrorist *specifically* targets the civillian population, who are not meant to defend themselves against a foreign or domestic threat, in hopes of inspiring panic and unrest. If on 9/11, Al Qaeda had only attacked the Pentagon, and not used a plane full of civillians, they would not be deemed terrorists, because they would have only attacked military targets.

[Duo]

Well, in fairness, everyone would have probably called them terrorists anyways.

[War Angel]

If on 9/11, Al Qaeda had only attacked the Pentagon, and not used a plane full of civillians, they would not be deemed terrorists, because they would have only attacked military targets.

There are many civilians working in the Pentagon.

[DocFrance]

Originally posted by War Angel
There are many civilians working in the Pentagon.

True, but their target would have been a military one. Civillian casualties would have been collateral damage, as long as those civillians weren't their primary target.

Anyway, the point I'm trying to get across is that a terrorist is someone who's primary target is the civillian population.

[War Angel]

True, but their target would have been a military one. Civillian casualties would have been collateral damage, as long as those civillians weren't their primary target.

Agreed... but sometimes it's hard to argue what the target was.

[DocFrance]

Very true. Although, in cases such as the Oklahoma City Federal building, the WTC, or buses in Israel, it's pretty clear that they're attacking civillians.

[Shadow Nexus]

Of course, I also think that the anti-war lot are a bunch of extremist left-wing loonies, so there you have it.

*snip* No need to be rude. ~ Leeza





I know many right winged people against war, does that make them extremist left-wing lunatics? I feel really great being a extremist left wing loonie, it's like...vomiting over anyone who dosen't agree with Marxist dogmas, stabbing the eyes of anyone who votes a conservative party, threatening ot death CEOs of companies...blame Bush, had he not started the war and I'd be...dunno....a pedantic philosophy student.


*points at title*

I feel alive again.

[The Captain]

I think it's safe to say that the whole world is full of extremists. Either right or left, we're all a little loony, but isn't it great we can discuss our differences?

In this day and age, nearly every opinion, unless it's bland and completely devoid of any personal bias, is extreme.

Take care all.

[Shadow Nexus]

What do you understand by "extreme"?

[The Captain]

The left thinks everything must be horribly Politically correct, while the right thinks that anyone against them is wrong, thus we all seem to have extreme opinions in the eyes of others.

Take care all.