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[DocFrance]

Originally posted by The Captain
I say it because it's true, sadly. I've sat in on New York State Senate meetings, and it's very gritty. Democrats and Republicans not even talking about issues, just yelling and name calling. Plus, just look at the title of that book: "Terrorism, Despotism, and Liberalism". It's not exaggeration, sadly, tis fact. Is it just lumped there for no reason? That's a REAL belief. That book is a best seller too, so unless people are buying it to burn it, they must have some sort of agreement with what the book represents.

That's not necessarily true. I'm an atheist, yet I've read the Bible. "Know thy enemy."

Also, people like to read controversial things.

It's one thing if some people accuses you of being a terrorist. Those people are extremists, and are misinformed in their opinions. However, I can guarantee that you would never be branded as a terrorist by the US government just for expressing liberal views. We learned a lot from the McCarthy era.

[The Captain]

I hope you're right DocFrance. I Love America as much as the next, and I feel I have a right to my opinion, as does everyone else. Freedom of speech shouldn't be muzzled based upon a political affiliation.

"I see... so liberals are considered to be a similar class of enemy as terrorists and despots by that book? That's horrific, really. Still, who or what is Sam Hannity? I'm hoping he's an ultra-conservative or 'extremist' rather than a mainstream politician or commentator."

Sadly, Sean Hannity is an extreme Republican, who IS mainstream. He has a weekly TV spot on Foxnews, and has been writing books that seem to say that Liberals are funding terrorist groups to bring down America..
I suppose some people share that opinion, or as Doc said, enjoy controversial. Frankly, that opinion scares me.

Take care all.

[Shadow Nexus]

Oh, we have "people" like that in Spain too. Every morining I enjoy the episcopal radio, with that poor little soul, Federico Jiménez Losantos, speaking. It's actually scary many people agree with him, because he exposes the most fascist opinions ever, talks about illegalziing parties. Yesterday he nearly recived a letter with a bomb in it (I was intercepted). Of course, I'd never aproove such an action, not even against that poor excuse for a human being, that hate demiurge, that fundamentalist neo-fascist, that combative and manipulative ultra neoliberalist, that...well, Losantos, but truth is that when I listened to him in the radio I found he is even worse than what I thought. The first thing he did was to blame the anti-war protesters because "they were the ones who had taken the terrorist to send the letter". Argh! And in his web site he left this long contradictory and victimist article, blaming- of course- all the people who radically oposed the party that governed before the elections last month. Thats it, just keep demonizing!

Of course, I can't aproove such an attack, I find it horrible....





...but I wouldn't mind a cow falling from a skycraper on top of him. I'd feel sorry for the cow, cause it would have to touch him. Ergh.

:rolleyes2

[Big D]

Yesterday he nearly recived a letter with a bomb in it (I was intercepted).

Best typo ever?

Fundamentalism, or extremism, of any kind can potentially be dangerous. Ultra-conservatism, ultra-liberalism, radical Christianity, radical Islam... any time a belief gets taken to a extreme, people become prepared to die - or kill - to uphold that extreme view.
Of course, simply having an extreme view isn't inerently harmful; but if that view gains a lot of support, and those supporters are prepared to back words with actions, then the rest of the population are in trouble.

[Shadow Nexus]

Originally posted by Big D Best typo ever?

Yeah, I haven't sent him a bomb...













...yet.





(Sarcasm, obviously!)

[The Captain]

Well, if one does get through, we'll be able to round up the usual suspects...

I always believed the best road in politics was fair and balanced, until I realized that's nearly impossible to achieve.

Take care all.

[Shadow Nexus]

Originally posted by The Captain I always believed the best road in politics was fair and balanced, until I realized that's nearly impossible to achieve.

Don't think so. Here in this country we have balance. For example:

Apartment prices in Spain have nearly doubled in the last 4 years, due to inmobiliary speculation.

Solution? Buy a house, get ripped, buy another one, speculate, sell it, rip the other person, the other person does the same, repeat again. Everyone stals from everyone, so we are all happy.


That until a poor miserable like me wants to leave his mother's house. I'll probably build a hut in Samoa, or something, at least I bet there they don't have imbecile presitents dragging the people to illegal wars.

[Nait]

Originally posted by Big D
[...] ultra-liberalism, [...

On a side-note, anyone, anything about extreme liberalism leading to manslaughter and burning stuff, like people?

[Shadow Nexus]

On a side-note, anyone, anything about extreme liberalism leading to manslaughter and burning stuff, like people?

I don't know. Economical liberalism? It leads to children to work in 14 hour long days, making Nike shoes for us to buy at excessive prices. Why?

Political liberalism? I don't know, has someone really tried? For me, ultra political liberalism would mean no political goverment. You know I'm all for it, but I wonder if it would actually work.

[DocFrance]

Originally posted by Nait
On a side-note, anyone, anything about extreme liberalism leading to manslaughter and burning stuff, like people?

Communist Russia. Stalin killed millions of his own people in the 1930's.

[War Angel]

Communist Russia. Stalin killed millions of his own people in the 1930's.

Err... Stalinism is like, the opposite of liberlism. So is Communism.

[Shadow Nexus]

So is Communism

Uh....War Angel...Marx wrote his theory trying to make social liberalism theorized. Communism is liberalist. However, not how it has been done so far. Read the Communist Manifesto and The Capital (Or a part of it, it's very long) before critizizing.

PS: I'm not a communist. Not 100%.

[DocFrance]

Although Stalinism was the polar opposite of communism, it was the direct result of communism in Russia.

[Shadow Nexus]

Communism in Russia?

I recommend you to read "Socialism or barbarism?" by Cornelius Castoriadis, where he analyzes how much Lenin screwed up in the installation of communism, allowing some things to continue in the fear to loose power.

I think the closest we have gotten to real communism is with Fidel Castro, someone I consider rather intelligent and very good at administration, yet on the other hand you've got the repression of freedom of expression and such. Of course, I'm not sure to say he is a good leader, and he has done many good things, but he also screwed up many times too. For example, those executions last year, the repression previously mentioned, or the tortures and violation of human rights he is suspected to have commited. And I say suspected, because he denies it, yet some NGOs- curiosuly directed from Miami by people who exiled Cuba, supported with economical support from the US goverment- say he has. Which should I believe? Both have the same credibility, really, and thats....very little. Also, why does he stay for so long in power? I believe he just likes power, but maybe a little change would help Cuba, I believe, since for me a lot of power tends to lead to corruption (Tends to dosen't mean it always does, but don't make me think of a case where it hasn't...). Also, hoe can he waste money in those two private jets he just bought? Kind of annoying, I believe, yet I admit that in matters of education and sanitation he has achieved some great advances, something loable from any perspective. I also admire his electoral system, theorically much more close to democracy than ours, and yet I actually wonder if he actually takes in mind the decisions of the parliment or how much does manipulation move into those votes (Manipulation occurs in democratic goverments, wouldn't surprised me it happened in Cuba too, specially taking in account the press repression I have heard happens there, yet without any evidence, but preety believable).

In the end I cannot say I like him much, but I do prefer him over some others, and well, he is certainly better than Batista, that no one can deny. But well, as far as I know, it's the closest thing to the dictatorship of the proletariat. He's an example to follow in terms of some reforms he has done, but certainly he's very far away from the ideal leader I believe in, that if there was a need for any leader at all, but thats a whole other topic.

[War Angel]

Communism is the farthest thing from liberalism, short of Nazism and Facism maybe. Liberalism is about the freedom of a person to do all he wants (almost anarchy) and pursue his dreams, while Communis limits the indvidual incredibly, and doesn't lethim do... well, nothing basically. Since money is the key to most things, a person cannot hope to become greater, wealthier, healthier, etc. He will remain as he is, where the goverment makes all the decisions for him. That's the anti-thesis for Liberalism.