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    Well, to be quite frank, that news didn't surprise me that much, we asre talking about a war anyway, brings up the worst out of people.

    It's not something new anyway. In Homer's Odyssey (I believe it was there) you could read how Achilles' corpse (Well, I think it was him, not 100% sure) was dragged arround tied to the back of a chariot. Or, to speak of a book I have read more recently, Robert Louis Stevenson clearly described how, in war, the people in the most barbarian islands of the south (Not in Tahiti or Samoa, yet in the Marquesse...I hope it's written Marquesse, I read the book in Spanish) broke their enemies apart to pieces and ate them. And that was more than a century ago, but one year ago I read in the newspaper how a guerrilla in Congo raped and killed children to eat them afterwards. Or to make something closer to our world (The Only One That Exists, The South Cone Are Just Extras In The Movie, Third Class Corpses :rolleyes2 ) we can see all the horrible things done in the holocaust to jews, in the Spanish Civil War to communists, in Russia to anyone oposing Stalin, or how soldiers in Vietnam used napalm against children.

    And you know, this is in the news now, but I bet it has happened before in the war, in this war, in the other and in the war to come.

    Like when Creon decided Polinices (Whatever the name in English is) did not deserve to be buried, he was following the same schemes this people do: They see the "infidels" have conquered their land, so they attack those people. Then one of them decides to degenerate more and starts kicking the corpses, or whatever they were doing in those images. Then people follow. Horrible, yes, completly disgusting and gross, but I'm not surprised it happened, nor will I be surprised if it happened again. Don't think I am doing an apology to such horrible actions, I'm just saying it's nothing new. I think it would not be a bad idea to ask ourselves what lead those people to degenerate to this. Do you believe none of the people posting in this forum would ever do this? I prefer to believe I wouldn't, but it's certainly frightening.

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    So, imagine you're in a world where EVERYTHING you see, hear and know has been carefully scripted to make you believe lies. --Big D

    I was raised in a world where everyone (family, all my friends, the media, my church, etc. etc.) told me that there was a God, but I ended up atheist. I have relatives who say black people are inferior to white people, but I never believed it. I use my own brain rather than swallow whatever is fed me. If someone says "Americans are evil", people should ask why. And when they don't get an answer, they should decide it's a lie. Words can lie, but reality is always there to fall back on.

    You can't blame an entire country for having ignorance forced upon them.

    But I do.

    Yeah, every normal population has the courage and resolve to charge to certain death, when the alternative - simply obeying - will keep them alive and in a stable, if unpleasant, state of existence.

    Interesting definition of stability, then, when you can expect to be murdered at any moment by your own government.

    Virtually every country has had disagreeable leaders at some time or another

    Very interesting use of the word disagreeable. Every country has not, for example, had a ruler who's murdered his own citizens by the thousands. People in America hardly tolerated Clinton, who just lied and had an affair with someone; imagine if our President murdered someone. He wouldn't last a minute.

    Rebellions are found out and the instigators brutally murdered; soldiers beat anyone who fails to have the dictator's protrait in their homes.

    Same thing happens to people who obey. Better to go out fighting, rather than give the thugs what they want.

    Or should they have killed Hussein just when he rose to power, because they suspected he might turn evil?

    You have a habit of attacking straw men. No sane person would argue that you should kill a leader because you "suspect he might turn evil".


    War Angel, Shadow Nexus, you're right that it's nothing new. I'm not really surprised either, just disgusted that that kind of ignorance can still exist in what should be a modern world.

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    I'm not really surprised either, just disgusted that that kind of ignorance can still exist in what should be a modern world.
    Why do you call this 'ignorance'? It's just cruelty. What was common in ancient times (like Shadown Nexus pointed out) is no longer tolerated in modern, civilised nations. But Iraq and the Arab world aren't that, in this aspect. They're third-world, and their grasp of warfare and 'justice' is still stuck somewhere in ancient times. That's really all that has to be said... socially, they still haven't evolved enough.
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    I consider cruelty a form of ignorance. Or at least a symptom of ignorance.

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    So, what's the answer? That's really what we should be attempting to figure out. Our society in general has an unholy devotion to the past when thinking about how to progress might save us from future atrocities. Yes, one must study the past to understand the present, but you must also remember to create the future, not allow yourself to be trapped in an endless loop.

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    Perhaps the US should take a page from the Israeli playblook, get some bulldozers, and level this god-forsaken town.

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    Originally posted by Doomgaze
    Perhaps the US should take a page from the Israeli playblook, get some bulldozers, and level this god-forsaken town.
    I think we should kill every human being in the world. That would bring world peace. For sure.

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    This is the official press release from the DoD website:

    Coalition Vows 'Deliberate' Response to Attacks
    By John D. Banusiewicz
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    WASHINGTON, April 1, 2004 – A "deliberate, precise, overwhelming" response awaits the insurgents who killed four American contractors and five U.S. soldiers March 31, the coalition's military spokesman said at a Baghdad news conference today.

    Army Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt, deputy operations director for Combined Joint Task Force 7, promised an appropriate, if not immediate, military reaction. The civilians were in a vehicle escorting a food convoy in Fallujah, Iraq, when it came under attack by grenades and small-arms fire. The troops were patrolling near that city when their vehicle hit a roadside bomb.

    "We are not going to do a pell-mell rush into the city (of Fallujah)," Kimmitt said. "It's going to be deliberate, it will be precise, and it will be overwhelming. We will not rush in to make things worse. We will plan our way through this, and we will re-establish control of that city, and we will pacify that city."

    Kimmitt said the restraint shown by military leaders in the aftermath of the Fallujah attack – in which the bodies of the victims were abused and desecrated – may have prevented more carnage. "I think that there was a well-thought-out decision on the part of the Marines" not to rush headlong into the city, Kimmitt said, given the possibility that the insurgents could have had ambushes set up or might have used civilians as human shields.

    "While (the desecration of the victims' bodies) was dreadful, while it was unacceptable, while it was bestial," the general said, "a pre-emptive attack into the city could have taken a bad situation and made it even worse."

    But the lack of an immediate military response doesn't mean there won't be one, Kimmitt said. "We will be back in Fallujah," he vowed. "It will be at the time and the place of our choosing. We will hunt down the criminals. We will kill them or we will capture them, and we will pacify Fallujah."

    At a Baghdad Police Academy graduation ceremony today for 479 new Iraq police, the coalition's civilian administrator also condemned the attacks, according to chief spokesman Dan Senor, also at the news conference. Senor read reporters a portion of Ambassador L. Paul Bremer III's comments.

    "The acts we have seen were despicable and inexcusable," Senor quoted Bremer as saying. "They violate the tenets of all religions – Islam included – as well as the foundations of civilized society." Senor said Bremer promised the soldiers' and contractors' deaths "will not go unpunished."

    Senor relayed Bremer's expression of sympathy to the families of all civilian and military Iraqi and coalition families whose loved ones "have given their lives in the war to liberate Iraq and free it from terrorism."

    Bremer termed the attacks as "a crime under law and a crime against the future of Iraq," Senor said, and labeled the attackers as "cowards and ghouls" who represent the worst of society. Bremer also expressed his determination that Iraq's progress toward democracy would be undeterred by the attacks.

    "These murders are a painful outrage for us in the coalition, but they will not derail the march to stability and democracy in Iraq," Senor quoted from Bremer's statement.
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    What, only four?

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    Is it just me, or were those people messing with the bodies civilians? They looked like angered civilians rather than terrorists, they didn't seem to have weapons of any sort. Of course, the ones who threw the grenades must have been the terrorists, but the ones that did all that horrible things to the bodies...can they be catalogued as terrorists or just as people with doubtable moral values?

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    They're attacking innocent civillians in an effort to promote fear and panic in others. Hence, they are terrorists. The people who were mutilating the bodies are only animals with no respect for human life. They could also be the killers, you know.
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    I find it funny how people use the word "animal" in this thread. Human is as human genocides.

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    I use the word "animal" because no sane human would violate another human being like that.
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    Oh, and that makes them animal?

    Funny, though, how so many mentally unstable persons have happened to gather in this one particular place.

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    Hi.

    an·i·mal, n.

    1. A multicellular organism of the kingdom Animalia, differing from plants in certain typical characteristics such as capacity for locomotion, nonphotosynthetic metabolism, pronounced response to stimuli, restricted growth, and fixed bodily structure.
    2. An animal organism other than a human, especially a mammal.
    3. A person who behaves in a bestial or brutish manner.
    4. A human considered with respect to his or her physical, as opposed to spiritual, nature.
    5. A person having a specified aptitude or set of interests: “that rarest of musical animals, an instrumentalist who is as comfortable on a podium with a stick as he is playing his instrument” (Lon Tuck).

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