Appeasement

[Dr Unne]

I don't have a news link, but you can probably find one fairly easily, and the story is ongoing anyways. Some terrorists captured three Japanese civilians in Iraq. They sent a message to the Japanese government: Pull all your troups out of Iraq or we'll burn them alive. The Japanese government said "No". Agree or disagree with their decision?

I remember that we had that discussion, where people said "Terrorists should be bargained with" and "If you can save human lives by giving in to their demands, you should do it". Well here we have a real-life example of a government not doing so. Personally, I agree with the Japanese government 100%.

[DocFrance]

Good. I'm glad someone is finally standing up to these punks.

[Peegee]

What's three lives, or three thousand lives, or half a million lives compared to freedom? There is no price too great for it.

[Dr Unne]

Good. I'm glad someone is finally standing up to these punks. --DocFrance

Nah, I think lots of countries have stood up to them, and are continuing to do so. You just see much more news about the few that don't. (Spain pulling out their troops, etc.) We've had good allies all along. Britain, Japan, lots of countries. Even the countries who aren't willing to go all the way still mostly stand up to the bad guys in most cases, by doing legal things, arresting people in their own countries, freezing money.

But yeah, it is nice to see someone really willing to do the right thing, like Japan.

[DocFrance]

Nah, I think lots of countries have stood up to them, and are continuing to do so. You just see much more news about the few that don't. (Spain pulling out their troops, etc.)

Good point, I forgot about that.

[Shadow Nexus]

The last news I saw about that is that they will free the hostages even if Japan refused to take the troups out.

What made them change their mind? They used their brain, or maybe someone talked to them? I have no idea, but I hope they actually release them. I think they will, though.

And Spain has not retired the troops yet. Al Quaeda trheatened to keep attacking the country if the troups didn't leave this week. And they will not leave. So it's not like "the president is listening to the terrorist demands". The president is listening to the Spanish people demands, who never wanted the troops there and wants them out in June. Can you see the difference?

Plus, he promised to take the troops out in campaign, one of the reason people voted him. If he lies, he'll be in trouble, and he will be another traitor to the people, like our other president, who is hated by about...90% of the people I know (Right winged people too).

[Dr Unne]

Al Quaeda trheatened to keep attacking the country if the troups didn't leave this week. And they will not leave. So it's not like "the president is listening to the terrorist demands". The president is listening to the Spanish people demands, who never wanted the troops there and wants them out in June. Can you see the difference? --Shadow Nexus

I do see the difference. A slow strategic withdrawl is the next best thing to Spain staying over there, I guess. Better than an immediate withdrawl, I agree.

[Shadow Nexus]

In fact I prefer an inmediate withdrawal, or at least I did before the terrorists asked for the inmediate withdrawal. Back then, inmediate withdrawal was just leaving, but after the terrorists asked for it, it would look like we are giving up to their demands.

[The Captain]

I just hope the hostages are all free and safe eventually. I really don't see how anyone who resorts to kidnapping and threatening murder can become so popular, even if some of their ideas strike cords with others. Where has the line between ideals and human morality gone?

Take care all.

[TasteyPies]

Death is a part of war surely the japanese know this better than anyone terrorists are idiots for what they did

Bonzi and Kamikzie (spelling?) japanese invented these! horid! but at least they knew something that alot of us freedom fighters dont realize DEATH IS WAR how many was it? three? im not sure how it is over there but im assuming the japanese are helping us and in that case im all for it with their help we can take them down quicker which means less american and japanese deaths if they were to withdraw because of 3 japanese more americans would end up dieing.

Edited by Unne: That word (you know which one) is rather offensive, please avoid using it.

[Snowman]

actually my point on all this is the fact the japanese arent ready for war. every other country trains their soildgers in combat, interrogation and how to survive it....in assasination and everything else.....but the japanese, due to their past, train their sooildgers in how to erct buildings and put out fires...barely any combat training at all and no actual experiance....i feel sorry for them. i dont have a love for the japanese because of their large violations against animal rights...but their current military is simply unprepared and untraind. they are great and exceptional at aid work and rescuing..but war. even their own people know this. if it were any other country...they could tuff it out....but sending the japanese soildgers is like sending kids, they are smart, but unexperianced and untrained...poor buggers

[TasteyPies]

the japanese arent ready for war the japanese, due to their past have barely any combat training at all and no actual experiance sending the japanese soildgers is like sending kids, they are smart, but unexperianced and untrained...poor buggers

sooooo...lets take over japan?

[Snowman]

im sure japans tactical weaponry would have something to say about that....you dont have to be smart to push a button, the american president proved that

[TasteyPies]

Pardon? what has bush done thats wrong? just because mtv and the media dont like him doesnt mean he is stupid, us americans hate everything! lol

[The Captain]

The concept of not appeasing a sticky situation such as this I believe takes it's roots way back in Munich in 1938, when the European powers appeased Hitler. Ever since then, it's been common practice to NEVER negotiate with people who are deemed dangerous. So, really, Bush is just following a long line of not appeasing terrorists.

Take care all.