...The US, contrary to popular belief. Most countries in Europe, as well as a few others scattered here and there.
I believe I do not need to reply to that. I mean, geez, I use to get all repetitive and stuff, and my opinions that refer to such an issue have been repeated many times already. I don't think I should bother.
So, tell me, how is Guantanamo a violation of human rights? Please tell me, using concrete evidence to support your claims.
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(1) Eric Clapton is God.
(2) Therefore, God exists.
http://www.clubcultura.com/haymotivo/video07.htm
Article 5.
No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.
Article 6.
Everyone has the right to recognition everywhere as a person before the law.
Article 7.
All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law. All are entitled to equal protection against any discrimination in violation of this Declaration and against any incitement to such discrimination.
Article 9.
No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile.
Article 11.
(1) Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public trial at which he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defence.
(2) No one shall be held guilty of any penal offence on account of any act or omission which did not constitute a penal offence, under national or international law, at the time when it was committed. Nor shall a heavier penalty be imposed than the one that was applicable at the time the penal offence was committed.
Yes, the video is in Spanish. But the images speak for themselves.
Last edited by Shadow Nexus; 04-17-2004 at 04:15 AM.
I see nothing in that video that shows a violation of human rights on the part of the US government.
ARGUMENT FROM GUITAR MASTERY
(1) Eric Clapton is God.
(2) Therefore, God exists.
No, except for the fact they are standing blinded of their senses to the Caribbean sun, sitting in a position that dosen't allow them to move. Or for the fact they are being dragged along as animals, or being trated in a humilliating way, or trapped inside there with no evidence whatsoever of their guilt while not getting a fair trail.
But thats OK, eat your ****ing hamburger, drink Coca Cola, Uncle Sam loves you. Everything is right, everything is fine and dandy. (Repeat it over three million times until people actually believe it).
Hail this orgy of patriots in possesion of truth!
I don't understand why it isn't possible to care for both animals and humans. I can't imagine too many situations where I'd have to put humans before animals, so the two don't have to be mutually exclusive. If, to quote an example used already, there were a baby and a dog drowning, then I'd save the baby first. But I'd have a damn good try at saving the dog as well. Life is valuable, be it human, mammal, bird etc.
As for seal culling: I don't know about the situation in Canada, but over here the seal populations are too large. Stocks of riverine fish have increased over the past two decades, and seals have no natural predators around the British Isles. When something like the dystemper virus comes along, it's nature's way of balancing out the population. Unfortunately, humans then go and vaccinate the seals! Crazy.
in realtion to me being a rich westerner -
actually i hate the taste of toffu.....i mainly eat potatoes..i carnt stop, chips (not crisps lol) crisps mash etc, thats what i was brought up on because i come from a poor estate. sunday dinners with vegetable gravy carrots and pease...no sprouts..i swear they are alien lol. currently ive finished my photography degree which i could only get because my parents earn to little and im following my illustration since i became award winning.
i will always hear someone out doc france.....otherwise there would be no point in posting.
im not a hypocrit. i wish to stop as much killing as i can. a man kills 20 men and will kill more he must be stopped if at all possible by peacful means, but due to my experiance with people who do cruelty to animals they raise their fists to me before i get a chance. wouldnt you say that we should stop those who would kill for the fun of it, those who delibertly go out to hurt others and cause us and others pain. jesus asked and the badguys continued. we had to stop germany, in the past we had to stop rome. it's wrong to kill. me killing to save life doesnt make me right, im still wrong and guilty.
if im walking along the street and find a worm on the path i put it back in teh soil, i try to cause teh least harm i can.
we put children through education over here and they come out worse than animals, thats a fact since our educational system in briton is in crisis. we have abilitys and skills animals dont.....they carnt go shopping at morrisons. Miranda, a house chican loves to sit on the back of teh sofa while i draw, she loves watching my art....she hates watching teh tweenies and loves dick van dyke, im happy to leave the TV on for her while i help in the garden. if Holly our dog cared about voting i would let her.
im no better than anyone else, i just try to live a life with less blood on my hands
Shadow, animals have rights within their own cultures which differ. as for aliens well who knows. if an animal does what we do and thinks should we give it rights or exclude it. in the past we thought slave nations werent human. time is a man made concept, or rather how we measure it yet we apply it to the stars. then again rights differ between humans...americans belive they have the rights to carry dangerous guns.....the british barely have any..look at the islamic world and it's subdugation of women while the ancient celts were ruled by them.
i wouldnt want to use the USA as a symbol of rights, it's a shambles, but thats another story.
im limiting my internet time hence so long since i repleid.
burt, natures also makeing more men infertaile this century and women incapable of pregnancy to cut our number......so now we go looking at testubes while others are happy to murder their babys via abortion.
Edit by Big D: Please use the 'edit/delete' button instead of double-posting.
The world can end in a blood smeared second, but as warriors we live within those seconds.
Nah, that's part of a military marching cadence, I saw DocFrance use a part of it and I couldn't resist.Originally Posted by Leeza
Wait... What?
And on the whole Vegetarian thing, has anyone seen those billboards? I was out with my unit today and I saw this one that said, "Meat Causes Cancer... Go Vegetarian". Does PETA realize how ridiculous they make themselves look? If someone wants to be a vegetarian that's their business, but scaring people into joining their ranks seems a little bizarre.
...if Holly our dog cared about voting i would let her.
Do you want to make the world a Monty Python comedy?
Well, it would be better than the current world...
Who would the dog vote? And flies? Can flies vote? Can they make a political organization? There are a lot of flies, what if they develop nucelar weapons and take over the world? Then through dictatorship force all the humans to work in their terrible mines o fly stuff like...crap, or something.
Woah, this is the end.
Since this is about the seal killing: I'm against that. Seals are endangered and protected almost everywhere, now the Canadian government claims there are too many of them, and they must be turned into overcoats.
Now for the other subjects: I'm not vegetarian, so I don't have a problem with killing other species for food. But torturing them first is wrong, so I'm against the "meat industry", especially here in Holland, where new diseases are created annually by feeding chickens to sheep and vice versa.
I respect it when people choose to be vegetarian. I just don't like it when they call me a murderer for eating meat, or claim that it harms the environment. Soy farms destroy the rain forest, so throw the first stone! And if animals had the same rights as humans in human society, the meat-eating ones would eat us, too.
To do is to be. (Sokrates)
To be is to do. (Sartre)
Do be do be do. (Sinatra)
don't worry if youre really bored of kentucky fried chicken theyre bringing out a replacement montreal roasted seal
nature depicts that some things die other things live hell look at me I wanted to die and I lived...*light bulb above head* I know I'm gonna dress up as a seal and go to canada for the slaughter!
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This thread is not about vegetarianism. This thread is about the unnecessarily cruel way in which animals are treated...in this case, the clubbing of the seals in Canada. I'm vegetarian, that's my choice. I don't call people who aren't vegetarians murderers, but treating animals inhumanely just to save some money is disgusting and sadistic, in my opinion. Any living thing deserves to have it's life respected. If you want to eat it or just wear it's beautiful skin, it's possible to do so with minimal pain to the animal.
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personally in that respect my opinion is we ought to eat what we kill hell we all know that people in this world are starving even if it was seal meat they would enjoy the meal also in norway it is or was a delicacy so if we were killing the seals then using the oils for fuel and the meat to feed starving people, used the skins for clothing (at the end of the day we ate the meat and burned the blubber maybe used the bones for something, anything I don't know cutlery handles or decorations like Ivory we may as well wear the skin) then in my opinon it would be justified to cull the seals but alas we are not and so I do condemm it but I have a twisted sense of humour. Also is it too much to ask to put a bullet in the seals brain painlessly?
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Also is it too much to ask to put a bullet in the seals brain painlessly? - Fallen Angel 666
Apparently it is because the bullet might miss and damage some of the fur. You also then have to pay for rifles and bullets.
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just stupid really isn't it? ok well how about a fatally powerful tazer shot? (and yes I have been tazered it stings but doesnt truly hurt)
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