Seal Massaca

[Shadow Nexus]

joking about murdering kittens shadow.....i dont appriciate it

Uh, well, I'll eat babies then

No, seriously, I doubt I could ever harm an animal, unless it was in self defense, of course. Now, going a little off topic, I remember this guy at my grandparent's town who used that "toy" gun (It shoots small balls, in Spanish it's called "balines") to shoot cats, aiming specially at the head of kittens. I tried to stop him by sepaking to their parents about what he was doing (He was my age, 12, those "toy" guns are legal for 16 and up). His parents ignored me (Nice how they take care of the children) so I atempted to speak with him, he just threatened me with his stupid gun. So I just took his gun and broke the clip. It felt really good, even if I had to run away from him because he was pissed. Bah, screw him, I hate those kind of people. Schopenhauer said that anyone who is cruel to an animal is a bad person to humans too, and I can agree.

[DocFrance]

What's ironic about all this is that PETA is in support of the culling, and that they're asking the NRA for help in dealing with the seals in the most humane fashion possible. From the Washington Post:

Two organizations you'd never think would get in bed together: People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals and the National Rifle Association. But PETA's ever-imaginative president, Ingrid Newkirk, sent a letter Friday to NRA President Kayne Robinson, asking for the organization's help in training seal-killers in Canada to use rifles instead of the traditional method, bludgeoning: "In this age of sophisticated weaponry, many are still crudely killed with primitive cudgels. . . . Won't you stand with us in seeking a quick kill?" NRA officials did not return our calls yesterday.

PETA and the NRA... I feel like I've woken up in some sort of bizzarro world.

[Shadow Nexus]

The NRA...I think of it and I already feel a wonderful toilet smell. A toilet used 24/7 and without being cleaned in 20 years (all this for not saying trout and getting edited by the mods...oops! I said it! And it was unecessary cursing!!!!!1111oneoneone).

[Snowman]

you did right shadow....over here in the UK many poeple who get airifles and related guns dont shoot at animals for long, and since theres barly any firearms here kids get shot in the eyes etc. when i was a kid doing a disply (see the FFweapons thread i did) i heard shots and found two illegal hunters shooting rabbits, i told them to stop, thye did because i ruined their sport and because i was alone they wanderd up to me, threatend to gut the hares they had got all over me and then stuffed a loaded shotgun up my nose. i was under 12...and alone, but i stood my ground which freaked them.....damn at that age i was sword fighting....luckliy for me some of the others heard teh shots alos and others came....shocked at these guys with a gun to my, a kids head, so the hunters left quickly.....youd be surrpised how many times ive had to stop people likewise.

good observation Doc, i had no idea.....thank god i made no refferance to them in this thread...you wouldnt think it would you.....but then the church says be kind with one hand and then instigates holy wars with teh other. this is why i stand so vehemently by what I say. because at the end of the day, common sense makes more sense than other people. our own bodys tell us that hurt is wrong via pain - you either stand for the right thing or you dont......thus endith the lesson.

we dont club murderes anymore.....nor our pets at teh vets.
i would prefer to see a world where no one died horribly, i dont want to have to kill people, if i did i would be as guilty as them.....but that wouldnt change the fact that if i did i would be saving many lifes in the future.

[Shadow Nexus]

Snowman, how can someone point a loaded gu at a human being, for God's sake? Some people are preety ing sick, good thing you didin't run away. I wouldn't have either...I'd be too scared to move ^^

[Snowman]

i tell ya shadow..it was one of those instinct moments. i was only a kid, but ive always been calm underthreat...which isnt always good for me lol. once i was in art colledge and this lad, im now currently teaching broadsword to, picked up my knife....a proper knife and held it millimeters from my eye. you can guess i was scared....damn straight, but i knew that if i moved he would stab me by accident, the best thing to do was stay really still and tell him to stop messing around. he still does stupid things today. things like that rarely scare me.....it's showing my illusatrations off and working tills that scares me. Oh man this is funny, there was this one time....while in uni i worked in a sci-fi store called forbiddon planet international. i had just been working teh till which was messing up and i was panicking....finally got off it and began to tidy teh graphic novels when this man stood next to me drops something heavy.....i look down because it hit's my trainers, and there on my foot is a hand gun. what do i do....i look up at him, he's not a man but a stupid studant and calmly i say "put it away" in a voice which makes him look pathetic. he stoops down, snatches it up, hiding it in his pocket and runs off. and my heart didnt even skip a beat. it wasnt untill three days later i discoverd it was only a detailed replica sold by a market stall across town. the other staff trout themselves when my mother let it slip.

[xenapan]

YES, i would kill millions of murderes to stop the milions of millions of lifes that they would take, bush took teh same standpoint over saddam, churchill took the same standpoint over the nazis and Boudica took teh same standpoint over the romans. When one man kills and kills and kills, it's common sense to stop him and thus you save many lifes. Surely you, or anyone would want the police to do what it takes to protect you and your loved ones.

and so tell us. what gives you the right to judge people that murder? in that case does that give us a right to judge you as you murder the murderers? :P
in that case everyone should murder everyone eh? so what next? suggesting anarchy is the right way a government should be run (or not run :P )

[Shadow Nexus]

so what next? suggesting anarchy is the right way a government should be run (or not run :P )

Um...yes

[Snowman]

i never said i have the right to judge Xenapan. if i go about murdering, for whatever reason then im guilty too and ill accept my punishment. just because you kill for the right reason does not absolve you of any guilt or crime. But in the same question...what gives highly payed officials and a bunch of people taken out of work and family life the right to judge. Why does goverment be aloud to judge and those who were victimised are often dragged through more mud or never heard.
I try to live my life by causeing the least pain i can, thats the most basic drive behind vegetariansm. i understand and acknoledge im still causeing pain and killing something, even if i aborsebed solar radiation (thus not needing to eat) i couldnt stop the unseeable microbs that pass into my body- because im not a god. im a stained person like everyone else, but the differnce is i accept the bad things i have done and i try to do better. it's common sense that we dont want to be hurt and abused by others. we dont want to be beaten, robbed and raped. it's wrong to abuse children.....and yet in many countries this is everyday life and our governments dont take any notice. if my only resort is to kill an opponant who is killing others, then i will do it to save lives, and accept the penalty.

But i would prefer to destroy ALL of humanity on this planet in one fell swoop simply to stop the hurt. over all we havent brought anything useful to this planet or it's inhabitant's, we simply over breed and pullute and take. im not racist....i would destroy all mankind, and yes im aware that would include myself and my family who agree with me.

[DocFrance]

Yes, you are saying that you can judge people. By taking other peoples' lives into your hands and saying, based on your own morals, that they are no longer worthy of living, you are judging them. Even when you say that you're no better than them. You're a hypocrite.

[Snowman]

the juding you refer to is differnt to what Xenapan refferd to. everybody makes assumptions and judgements about people everyday, if they have long hair or smell differnt. in that sense it is impossible for anyone not to judge. i refferd to the right to judge because of being morally or humanically supirior, which i am neither. the way a court has the right to judge.....i questiond what gave them the rights over us. a police man must judge a situation, how much force does he use, is the person in question a threat or not, this is the way i "judge" an act and person. with no bias other than to protect life. of course it's my morality that dictates my want to protect life as surely as murders lack of it grants them the ability to take life. im actually NOT a hypocrit because i understand it's wrong to kill and i would be punished, but im willing to go that far to protect life. i WOULD be a hypocrit if i said i should not be punished for killing but they should.....i never said that.

[DocFrance]

Accepting punishment for murdering innocent people doesn't make it right to do so.

[Shadow Nexus]

im not racist....i would destroy all mankind, and yes im aware that would include myself and my family who agree with me.

Dude, buy a "Werewolf: The Apocalypse" manual and play a Red Talon, it will be terapheutical for you.

I prefer Stargazers, it's wonderful to have a class where they force you to be pedantic and quote Plato or Lao Tse.

"The not being exists, yet not as an absolut concept"
-Plato

Why that quote? BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE SHOWING EVERYONE I'VE READ "The Sophist"!!!!

[Snowman]

THATS MY WHOLE POINT DOC, it doesnt make it right. it isnt right when a police officer shoots a nutcase, but if i have to in defence of myself or others i will, and i accept whaever punishement i get for it. If i was in denial about this then i would be a hypocrit, if i expected to be priased for murder then i would be mad.

i like werewolfs