Big D....when i said thats the appearance of all of them, i meant to the general public. while i can appriciate that it isnt teh teachings or belif systems that make you a nutty murderer...it's whats inside that does....most people simply dont care, and they hear that your "" and they make the assuption that your a card carrying suicide bomber. it's the same for those of us into animal rights.

youve gotta remeber WarAngel.....it's not the faiths that kill or cause trouble...it's the people who do what they wish and use their name. anyone with common sense knows you can look under a stone and find your god, but the christians will have you belive you should donate all your money to repair their church roof.

"Thank-you, I was speaking of the Christian world as in Europe and western culture" there you go again Besimudo......grouping all us europeans in as bibal bashers. because a certain faith was more viloent than others and became commercially enticing, that doesnt mena we are all of that faith.what about the norse who for a long time and still do belive in teh norse gods, these themselves stemmed from the ancient slavic mythologies and gods.
Also it's quite rude of you to say that - "These pagans are hardly legitimate" when england has NEVER abandoned that faith and belif which is why thousands still worship it today. i can say teh same about the jokers who go with their grannys to churches or the nutty people who use their religions to kill as we are seeing in far off lands. theres so many people who follow paganism and earth magic around here in the north east you carnt turn your back for them. try visting www.Darkforum.com. manchester and newcastle have an astounding amount of norse followers. yes the celts and gauls did carry many stories etc by song, thats how their civilisation did it....it's perhaps more correct than the cribbles by monks as many times it's shown where they were bribed and coerced into fiddling with the details of history. theres a saying "history isnt true, it's only ever written by the winners".
If one man belives in a certain religion or fiath, in the greek gods and goddess or the babylonian, then it isnt dead. national funding, great churches and regular converts does not define a faith. if you like check out the pagan federation at pagan dawn. but im not a pagan so im not pushing you