Compare XI to the rest of the series

[Kalel]

FFXI is an online game and a great one at that. But it is FF: Good storyline, Great Gameplay, great character jobs, awesome graphics and Fun to play.

None of the FFs had same story or any way similar other than some had identical battles systems or characters. But they all had something other RPGS didnt have: Style, characters you can get into, storys that blew you mind and top notch innovation. IN FFXI you have all that plus you get to play with others. And if you dont like your character its your fault cause you made him.

Game is worthy to be called FF. Square had no choice to make it online only; cause no would play online than. And second it had to be called Final Fantasy or wont make as much money and thats a fact! People stick with series game cause they know what they put out is good or bad. And No FF game was ever bad. But square did make bad games. So if it had the FF name missing it wouldnt be as popular.

Plus its their game not ours they can name it whatever they like, and if you buy it who can blame for that? The game is top notch. By the way its my favorite game in the series cause you can do alot more with it.

[Clyde Arronway]

None of the FFs had same story or any way similar other than some had identical battles systems or characters ... Plus its their game not ours they can name it whatever they like, and if you buy it who can blame for that?

Two minor disputes with that post. Just hear me out.
Firstly I already explained that FF I - X all have the same basic premise. The story might not be the same but the basic Idea was.

Secondly, why do so many people in the world believe that creators have the right to make whatever they want. I'm not directly aiming this at you, Kalel, this is just a good time to explain this little irk of mine.
This game isn't being written so that the programmers can hang somthing on the wall and sit back in 20 years and say, "Wasn't I great for writing that game" It's directly made for us. Programmers have a responsibility to us, it's not their game at all. We pay them to make us a good game, It is really our posession. Their responsibilty is to us first.

[Lionx]

In FFXI-land, everybody knows what an MMORPG is and won't buy it if they don't have the time to get hooked.

Alot of new kids bought this game because of FF on it, so i am pretty sure its not becaue they know its an MMO and way different league than the other FFs.

[Rostum]

Secondly, why do so many people in the world believe that creators have the right to make whatever they want. I'm not directly aiming this at you, Kalel, this is just a good time to explain this little irk of mine.
This game isn't being written so that the programmers can hang somthing on the wall and sit back in 20 years and say, "Wasn't I great for writing that game" It's directly made for us. Programmers have a responsibility to us, it's not their game at all. We pay them to make us a good game, It is really our posession. Their responsibilty is to us first.

They DO have a right to make whatever they want, their work isn't as limited as you think. They wouldn't just discontinue a game or scrap an idea because 'some' people aren't going to like it or will complain about monthly fees. They think on a larger scale, and I can tell you... there's been ALOT of members in FFXI, so what makes them think that they'd want to scrap it now because it's not "true to FF"?

No MMORPG is going to be true to FF, even if FFVII was made as a MMORPG, it would be different. Basically if you don't like MMORPG's then don't play it! It does have similarities but it's not the same as a whole.

[Clyde Arronway]

Fine, they have followers. But this is no longer aimed at XI, XI's just getting the brunt of the argument. A producer can't just make whatever he wants for the sake of making it, when you sell somthing you must must must be responsible to your clients or consumers.

[Rostum]

That's the thing, we ARE here to discuss FFXI and it's similarities from other FF games. I think you are looking at this from the wrong angle.

[Lionx]

And they are responsible, try looking at EverQuest and their tech support team, they do NOTHING to fix issues unless another MMO threatens them. FFXI constantly fixes known problems and add misc things, and another expansion is comming out with 40 new areas this fall too. How are they not being responsible to the people that bought and pay for this? Just because you dont like this version of FF doenst mean that they arent being responsible. Some ppl dont like FFX-2 for instance, but some people, however do, and they cant force you to like the games they put out. And for those of them that do like the games, they are responsible for THEM, not for those that dont have an interest of any sort and rather play some other game than this. Leave the interest building to the ads, the game developers dont do that.

[Mort]

500,000 users and still increaing. looks like square have an idea what people want

[Clyde Arronway]

I don't know what other angle to look at this from. I don't want to come off as agressive to you, omecle, but I think I kinda would have some knowledge of what angle to look at this from seeing as I started this thread and defined how it was first being compared to other ff's. But the point of my question is, has square remained true to it's responsibilities to it's previous consumers? Is this the kind of game that square has always produced as an ff. Have they held up their standards or have they let down the consumers that bought all their games and that have paid square's payroll for the last 15 years? 500,000 users out of about 300,000,000 isn't much. Give me ten thousand dollars and I can have an addicitve game of crap made and put on the internet, and I'd have 1M players by the end of the week. Is it addictive, or is it good? are most of these 500,000 honored square clientele, or did they scrape up half a million bums off the street? Is this a break of tradition or are they upholding their standards

[Lionx]

You obviously dont know alot about the subscriptions of MMOs do you?

Link to Subscriptions on the MMORPG world

The thing is FFs are all different in their own way, this one is online and is an MMORPG, so you have to compare it MMORPG standards, comparing online and offline games are red and blue, its not comparable because they are different genres despite both having RPG in it.

Has Square remained true? If its giving you a game that blows other MMOs out of the picture with a REAL storyline and cutscences and numerous things to do, then yes they have. If its updating and fixing bugs that appear then yes they do(this is major, EQ never does it).

Is this game the same as other FFs in similarity? Some ways yes, with spell names and all, but again this is primarily an MMORPG, not RPG so this is completely different in terms of gameplay and things that go on in it. Again do not compare it to other FFs because its simply not capable to be. Comparing it to other MMOs like Ragnarok Online or any of the games that are listed on the chart i gave you would be the correct thing to do.

Have they held their standards? Yes they produced a game that people, especially in the MMO world would love. Its a top notch game.It hasnt let me down and i played almost all previous FFs. But on the same note its not for everyone because MMOs(as well as any type of game) isnt for everyone's tastes. But they do a damn good job at the moment and i see no other game with this much depth.(and again in MMO terms).

500,000 users out of about 300,000,000 isn't much.

Again you have no idea how much this means, no other MMORPG made it thus far.

Give me ten thousand dollars and I can have an addicitve game of crap made and put on the internet, and I'd have 1M players by the end of the week.

Again they spent Millions on this game, research it. They need 200,000 people in order to break even. THeir fees are into alot of money by keepin server, bandwidth, electricity, tech team, GM team, and other misc expenses(along with 20 other servers to boot). I doubt you can do such a thing. Please research the thing before you really say it. A game of this magnitude on 20 servers with the matience isnt possible for you and certainlety 10000 bucks is chump change to their costs.

Is it addictive, or is it good?

BOTH! XD But to each their own jus tlike FFX-2.

are most of these 500,000 honored square clientele, or did they scrape up half a million bums off the street?

These are active subscriptions. Theres also 1,000,000 characters made total. These arent just bums. This question makes no sense whatsoever.

Is this a break of tradition or are they upholding their standards

They are upholding alot mroe than standards with their service. And is it breaking the traditional offline type game? Yes. But is it breaking the MMORPG tradition in the most part? Nope it remains true to them. But it also borrows many counterparts of offline FFs with the way things are done like potions, Cure spells, the way people are. It does give an FF feeling unlike some D&D feeling.

EDIT: If the link dont work heres the pic for you even.

[Kalel]

If you continue to buy FFs than you prove the point Square can make the game the way they want it and still give what players want. Cause if they were so bad or continued same thing or you didn't like them you wouldn't buy it. Cause games are not cheap.

So, don't buy it if you don't like online games. Cause FFXI is best FF or online game I ever played. And I loved FF7-FF10. So I think Square knows what it is doing when it comes to FF games. They put 100% effect into game to make it great. I am lvl 65 white mage/33 summoner so I know what I am talking about when I say game is great and fun to play. I enjoy the game very much.

Oh yeah if they made game to fit everyone desires game would not be same or probably suck. So what you think is good in a game may not be overall good for all the fans.

[Clyde Arronway]

But square has defined what an FF is. They can't just change it and give it to us any more than a jewler can start selling zircons for diamonds and naming them diamonds.

[Lionx]

And yet they have you can say, FF is their franchise, they can do whatever they wish with it. And as long as they are putting out great games, like FFXI, then i have no qualms to whatever it is.

Whats the big freaking deal if its online anyway? Its not like every other FF is online.

[Rostum]

It's quite contradicting, your posts that is, Clyde. You say they can't do this and can't do that with their FF games? Yet they have done whatever they wanted with their FF games (i.e. making one of them online), and they are making some great business from it. So what's your point? They made a sequal to an FF game, and they made some great business out of that. So what's your point?

There's only one project that crashed their organisation for awhile, and that was Spirits Within. But hey, they at least tried, didn't they?

They can't just change it and give it to us any more than a jewler can start selling zircons for diamonds and naming them diamonds.

But they have! You don't seem to get this point, they have changed it and they are getting good sales on it. And your example isn't exactly right for this argument. The video game industry is a little different from your jewler's industry.

[Lionx]

While we are on topic why not argue that Blizzard is doing a bad job because they are releasing World of Warcraft(their FFXI so to speak) and Starcraft: Ghost? Those are very different from the RTS games they usually put out. So long as they get money and are doing a good job with their franchise, theres nothing wrong with them making a game that is standing out from the rest.