Bush vs Kerry

[Casey]

Almost all of times is liberal, the new york times, and the seattle times. I just get news from cnn and fox news, they both seem 'fair and balanced'.

[Shadow Nexus]

Yes, Fox News and CNN are perfectably balanced. Specially Fox News.

:rolleyes2 (Thats my friend Mr. Roll Eyes)

[The Man]

Agreed. The Onion is probably the most un-biased "news source" in the world.

They are America's Finest News Source.

Fox News... ugh. Just terrible.

[Besimudo]

Clearly, political ideologies are various shades of grey in America. i.e. both parties are to the Right, with the partially seasoned left Democratic party. In order for democracy to work a balance is required, and this is not the case in the United States!

The thing that troubles me is that this forum has debated personal attributes of the contenders, namely, Bush and Kerry. Both of these men are puppets in a larger framework to keep the Nation ahead of the world. International policy was adjusted in Clintons case, where he put on a show of peace while staging a behind the scene war - Bush did it more blatantly. Did we forget the more "art house" styled Bosnian war? The ethnic tension was a little hard to grasp for most CNN viewer.

That’s right Americans only seem to remember the “mega hits” like - Gulf war 1 staring Bush and GW2 staring Bush Jn.

In short Kerry will be no better, he will just find other conflicts to keep the war machine running.

Recall 1981 - Reagan was elected due to Voters troubled by inflation and by the year-long confinement of “Americans in Iran” swept the Republican ticket into office.

It’s the same old bantering; we’ll help the troops and cure the economy.

This is why I suggest the "two-term" in American politics it is more balanced than juggling the parties every four years... as short run economy proves to be just short run. It is not dangerous at all Mr. Fire Fly! At least the parties can be “accountable” (used lightly) for their policies.


"Vi kan laer meget fra gammeldags, men vi ikke".
"We can learn much from history but we do not".
Storm Petersen, Danish political humorist.

[The Captain]

"This is why I suggest the "two-term" in American politics it is more balanced than juggling the parties every four years... as short run economy proves to be just short run. It is not dangerous at all Mr. Fire Fly! At least the parties can be “accountable” (used lightly) for their policies."

I understand your sentiments, but eight straight years of one leader is a bit much without being able to change. I don't know of any "democracy" that has a leader for eight straight years without an election.

Take care all.

[Besimudo]

"I understand your sentiments, but eight straight years of one leader is a bit much without being able to change. I don't know of any "democracy" that has a leader for eight straight years without an election."

If America chooses to elect the Kerry government then the "Bush smooth operation" might go astray...that is to say, how will Kerry implement any long term policy while the government worries about the side-effects of the Bush government? ... I would hate to see inflation kick in just after the democrats are elected (as Bush prints more war cash it takes about 18 months to have a price rise) and then the democrats will get the blame (people are creatures of the moment)... If this happens the world will witness a repeat of the 80's (12 years of republicans)!!! You have to remember that the influence of the American vote ripples through the world… and I’d hate another black Monday (87’ stock crash) down here, under!

[The Captain]

"f America chooses to elect the Kerry government then the "Bush smooth operation" might go astray...that is to say, how will Kerry implement any long term policy while the government worries about the side-effects of the Bush government? ... I would hate to see inflation kick in just after the democrats are elected (as Bush prints more war cash it takes about 18 months to have a price rise) and then the democrats will get the blame (people are creatures of the moment)... If this happens the world will witness a repeat of the 80's (12 years of republicans)!!! You have to remember that the influence of the American vote ripples through the world… and I’d hate another black Monday (87’ stock crash) down here, under!"

Again, I take your point, but let's say Bush is re-elected and only buries himself further? How would that help? The beauty of a democracy is that change is possible, and we can hope that the next leader if elected will make things better, not worse.

Also of Note: Black Monday occurred during only one President's watch, Reagan. Had there been a change, perhaps it wouldn't have occurred, but who knows really?

Take care all.

[Besimudo]

"Also of Note: Black Monday occurred during only one President's watch, Reagan. Had there been a change, perhaps it wouldn't have occurred, but who knows really?"

6 years (1981 -1987) is a considerable time... long enough to see the government in power, take responsibility for its own actions. This is what I love to see, as opposed to the innocent fledgling government get black named for prior government policy. I don't believe that the Kerry government can halt inflation... So let Bush explain it. As the unemployment rate fell to four percent and below, inflation began. How would electing Kerry halt this? All that would happen is a down period that would "piss-off" middle America - then the republican will launch an attack as in the 80's, which crushed Carters government.

And, yes Black Monday probably would not have occured under the democrats. As the republicans were responsible in rapidly increasing short term US interest rates, escalating US government debt, deteriorating US current account deficit. This is what pure monetarism achieved in a "credit" financed economy - Thanks for controlling inflation first Regan!

[Clyde Arronway]

most of the 'conservative' news out there is not nearly so conservative as it looks. for instance many people that have gone to iraq have come back (including one man I know fairly well) and have said that there really isn't much of a problem. Think about it. This has been one of the most bloodless wars of american history (I don't consider little actions like kosovo or such wars). The troublemakers are twofold, those who want jobs in the non existant government and those who think we can manufacture democracy overnight forgetting it took america about 15 years.
Oh yes, The UN never would have taken care of the situation because france is on the security consul, and not being an actual power, doesn't care what the world needs. France got massive amounts of cheap oil from iraq. So did germany. no blood for oil was actually german propoganda to protect their economy from an oil shortage.
Secondly a french diplomat called sadaam misdirected good. because of his treatment to the kurds it could be argued that sadaam was a mini hitler. what does that make hitler. misdirected wonderful-ness? I'm sure the jewish race would love that. all half of the number of jews in europe before the holocaust, eh?

[Azure Chrysanthemum]

Just a minor note, the President's control over the economy is marginal at best. The economy fluctuates at such a rapid and often unpredictable rate that while the president may attempt to "fix" it, it will often continue to move along its course. It is always hard to tell how much the president's actions effected the economy if they did at all.

[The Captain]

The general trend I've noticed is that the economy seems stronger when support for the President is stronger, and vice versa, but again, economics is an inexact science.

Take care all.

[Doomgaze]

The general trend I've noticed is that the economy seems stronger when support for the President is stronger, and vice versa, but again, economics is an inexact science.

Take care all.

It's not too hard to figure out which of those is the cause and which of those is the effect.

[Shadow Nexus]

I understand your points, Besimudo, and yet I believe you are stating the idea of democracy as some kind of joke where no real variety exists, some kind of absolut power that gives citizens the illusion of being able to actually choose, but in fact only remembers them every 4 years, when the campaign starts, and the members are not so different from each other, even if some stuff some change. In other words, you are saying democracy is a big lie and that real choices are not to be taken in reality, but bipartidism.


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Yeah...it more or less is that. Still, I do not believe another four years of Bush are really something that would benefit USA.

In fact, the other day I was in the underground and heard a small child, probably about three or four years old, asking his mother why americans where so evil. The mother replied it's not americans, it is just the goverment. You see, USA is probably not the most loved country for obvious reasons (J00 R JEALOUS OF UR FREEDOM!!!111) but mr Bush is creating more hate against USA than Clinton- and probably Kerry- ever did.

[The Captain]

After much thought, I came up with an idea of my own: How about giving President's 5 year terms, but they cannot run for re-election? I think this would give them ample time to implement whatever policies they want, as well as, we'd be spared all sorts of events and political moves whose sole purpose is to gain re-election.

Take care all.

[Shadow Nexus]

we'd be spared all sorts of events and political moves whose sole purpose is to gain re-election.

Oh, but they would make move to get their party elected again. Aznar did.