http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/20802.htm
So then. . . what is there to say, really?
Iraqi Abuse Scandal: The Plot Thickens
http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/20802.htm
So then. . . what is there to say, really?
Everyone involved is guilty. This really sickens me. Especially England. She's so lying when she said "I'm just following orders." and other similar crap. So sad.
Apparently, I have been declared banished.
What a friggin coward. She cant even own up to the fact that she did wrong. She keeps blaming it on her 'superiors'. That's b.s. They tell you from day one in the military to follow orders, but if that order is clearly wrong, you're in the right by refusing.
Sick. It just keeps getting sicker.
Wow, I'm beyond words.... just, terrible, unspeakable.
Take care all.
Blantant, overly sexual and grotesque activities, followed by denial of fault.
If only this surprised me... unfortunately I know my fellow Americans far too well...
Well then, whoever gave those orders is even more liable than she is. With superior officers like that, [i]she'd[i/] probably have been the one getting beaten if she'd refused.
Hmph. Just charge everyone who was a participant or party to the offences, and justice should be served. Sacking politicians won't do a damn thing; neither will flogging a few low-ranked soldiers. Those who were actually culpable, though - the ones who committed the sickening acts and the ones who ordered them to - should face the full force of the law.
Um, isn't The New York Post that crappy sensationalist newspaper? Uh..just look at the title of the article.
Anyway, it sounds preety sick, really, and this time I can say I am rather surprised. They performed sexual acts in front of the prisioners? Seriously, who could have such a crazy, sick idea? God, I'm starting to think miss England deserves to have those photos of her released, but of course, that would be a preety dirty thing.
By the way, on TV they aired the photo of the dogs biting the legs of a prisioner. Weren't those photos meant to be kept in archives and never released?
I'm getting sick of this. Everybody keeps on saying "Oh, this is horrible, this is an atrocity, those horrible Americans should know better."
Can't we just move on, or at the very least, discuss how to fix things?
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(1) Eric Clapton is God.
(2) Therefore, God exists.
^How can things be fixed when people overseas doubt the legitimacy of the soldiers purpose in Iraq...trust has been shattered due to these photos man....we cant exactly pretend nothing happened...
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I really can't believe it.
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Okay. Allied soldiers have abused Iraqi prisoners. That's wrong. Those soldiers will be punished. End of story. Any further meddling with this and 'conclusion making' regarding the legitimacy of the Allied presence in Iraq is misplaced.
When fighting monsters, be wary not to become one yourself... when gazing into the abyss, bear in mind that the abyss also gazes into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche
The rightful owner of this Ciddie can kiss my arse! :P
So just because nobody trusts us means that we can't fix anything - that we should just give up?Originally Posted by *ETERNAL FANTASY*
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(1) Eric Clapton is God.
(2) Therefore, God exists.
I think that many people aren't interested in the truth, but rather interested in anything that justifies their hatred of America, or furthers their political agenda. If people really cared, then they'd make a big deal every week on the news when China or Cuba executes a couple hundred "political prisoners". I think that many people don't care that some prisoners were abused, so much as they care that prisoners were abused BY AMERICANS. A bit of hypocrisy. I'm amazed that politicians and diplomats can put up with this kind of crap from the rest of the world. I'd have lost patience a long time ago.
I'd prefer they punish the criminals or whatever and stop showing pictures on the news every day. We know people did something bad, we don't need to keep beating a dead horse.
I don't see much in that article that makes me feel that England is such an evil person, believe it or not. The article claims right from the beginning that she was having sex with numerous partners; numerous consensual partners, which as far as I can tell is okay.
And if she did do anything bad as an order from her higher-ups, then her higher-ups are the ones to blame. Did anyone here see "Casualties Of War?" That's what I'm think of right now, where the platoon leader raped a girl in Vietnam and then forced his subordinates to do the same, and the ones who didn't were beaten and labeled as traitors. Who knows what kind of crap she could have been facing if she said no to that? I think we should allow her to be proven to be a rapist and a willing torturer before we start making that assumption.
It's important that the abuse was done by American soldiers because America is supposed to be the standard of righteousness, or at least it's presenting itself that way. Hell, America has deployed troops into this country with the express purpose of making Iraq into a model citizen. How are we supposed to trust that the right thing is being done more often than not? If we simply ignore this and say, "well, it's over and done with, and besides, China does it all the time," does that really rectify anything, or does it just solidify the idea that America is an evil tyranical empire, the very idea that empowers so many terrorists?
Unne...eh...a big deal was made with the execution of three cuban guys last year. Well, I don't know about USA, but here in Spain both Saramago and Mario Benedetti, along with many other left winged intelectuals (Ana Belén, Jorge Volpi, Manuel Vázquez Montalbán, Luis Eduadro Aute or Gabriel García Márquez, for example) did condemn the executions. In fact, they spoke against them more than they do in reference to this.
Yep, it was never legitimate anyway.Okay. Allied soldiers have abused Iraqi prisoners. That's wrong. Those soldiers will be punished. End of story. Any further meddling with this and 'conclusion making' regarding the legitimacy of the Allied presence in Iraq is misplaced.
However, this images of torture put in doubt the supposed "humanitary action" we are being fed. Those images, however, also serve to open the question if it was in fact just a "bunch of soldiers" who did this or a larger bunch, or who was involved. Or also how reports were made a long ago and where ignored. And...you know, it's not that simple.
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