Do you think Bush deserves to be re-elected?

[DocFrance]

I could argue that Kerry has a record of dodging responsibility as well, but then we'd be back at typical mud-slinging.

I think we'd all be better off if politicians would just worry about themselves rather than the other guy.

[eestlinc]

It would be nice if we had candidates who talked about how they plan to make america better and actually presented real plans rather than just talking about how their opponent is worse. That would require politicians with real vision and ideas, though.

[DocFrance]

Quit agreeing with me. You're scaring me.

[eestlinc]

I think one of the reasons there is so much in-fighting is that neither party has a real plan for the future. Bush's goal seems to be jst to get re-elected, succeed where his father did not, etc. Kerry just seems to have a strong ambition to be President, but he doesn't have a vision of what to do.

[The Man]

Kerry has a reasonable exit plan for Iraq, it seems, but he's not much for specifics. I honestly don't think anyone really knows where they want the country to go though; it seems like we've been living vicariously through other countries' affairs for a lot of the recent past.

[LH]

I've been doing a lot of thinking, and I came to the conclusion that prior military experience should not be a judging point for presidential candidacy.

I can agree there, but I'll add that in order for a president to start fighting in more than one country over the course of two years he shouldn't have gone AWOL during his own service, stating through his actions his real opinion on the supposed civic duty to defend your country.

When you look at how many anti-war folks out there have fought (Kerry; purple-hearted) and how many war hawks, especially those in high places, are nothing but cowards who "had other obligations" (Cheney and Bush both) it's startling. You can't disagree that Kerry understands much better than Bush the real consquences of combat and is more likely to make a better decision. He knows what it's like to be shot at and to have to shoot back, so I value his stance on war much better than Bush's.

[Denmark]

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http://www.johnkerryisadouchebagbuti...rhimanyway.com

that represents my view of the upcoming election. so I have to thank Linus for that link (indirectly).

[Chaos]

Well over in England we have a LOT of negative publicity about George W Bush. It was said that there would be a war when he came into power...havent you guys had two?
Oh, we took part as well as our Prime Minister is an American lapdog.

From what I've seen of his actions (and I'm aware that the view presented over here is going to be vastly different, as there are no potential votes to be won) I cant say I'd like him back next time. He seems...well, his fundamentalist christian preaching style thing he has going seems bad. America is made up of many non christians and other christian denominations. I think he has a ratehr gung ho attitude towards war, just going in, because it's the right thing to do, supposedly. I have no ieda about the war, it can be argued that Saddam needed removing, and its probably best that he was, from a humanitarian point of view, but American's barging in and saying how it SHOULD be run is wrong. Just because the American system works for the americans doesnt mean it will work for Iraqi's who have a whole rich history of culture and beliefs that differ to Americans.
North Korea: The reason why they hate America is because of Americas actions during the Korean war. Bombing them wont change their views.
Same in Afgahnistahn, if they hadn't pulled out the first time and left no aid none of this wouldnt of happened. Oh, and if they hadn't trained Osama Bin Laden and given him weapons...well, I say no more.
I'm aware this isnt strictly about Bush, i just felt like ranting.

Yeah, i think it's screwy, I have no idea if this Kerry guy will be any better. He's a politician....so I guess not. Hopefully he wont be so hell bent on killing people because its the right thing to do.

And this stuff about Clinton lying and Bush making an error...did Clinton lying under oath cause widespread pain and misery? Don't think so.

www.punkvoter.com Quite a big anti-bush site run by NOFX's Fat Mike. Don't know if any of you have seen it, but it makes for quite interesting reading.

Chaos

[Shadow Nexus]

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http://www.johnkerryisadouchebagbuti...rhimanyway.com

that represents my view of the upcoming election. so I have to thank Linus for that link (indirectly).

That is a very interesting domain name...

[Rei]

I'm just gonna ramble on for a bit.

I don't think Bush is a liar. I think he and everyone else had bad intelligence, and it's not really his fault. You can't really fault him for changing the reason for being in Iraq. It'd be really stupid to keep saying "We're in there because Iraq had WMD's" when it's been a year and some months and we've found very little. The way I understand it, he's not saying that we originally went there to free Iraqis, but that's why we're in there now. Should we put Saddam back in power and just leave because we haven't found any weapons? While we're in there, we might as well do our best to free the Iraqi people from tyranny, although we're not doin' such a good job at it.

I also don't think that Bush is an idiot. I may not agree with some of his ideas, but calling him an idiot assumes that my view is the absolute correct way to do things and he's too dumb to see it. Christ, people, have some humility. I'm sure everyone feels that's they're right, but the ratio of people who agree with you and those who think you're a jackass is probably not nearly as good as you'd like.

That being said, I don't think I'd vote for Bush. He's involving too much religion in his policies, which I feel is wrong. Now that he's seen what most people think of Iraq, I don't think he'd jump into another war, so that's not really a factor for me. He's learned his lesson. Everything else associated with his administration is tainted by bias, so I haven't been able to form my own opinion, so I don't really care. Except energy. We need to develop alternative sources of fuel, like more efficient nuclear energy, or solar/wind/water/geothermal.

You know, I kinda want Bush to win, just to shut up everyone who makes little remarks like "He was appointed, not elected," or calls him Governor Bush. He WAS elected. Before he was inaugurated, he was called the President-Elect, not, uh, somethin' else. He may not have the popular vote, but our system doesn't use that, so it doesn't matter. I hate it when people say "we", as in "we didn't elect him." A damn lot of people voted for him, enough to put him in office.

I don't feel safer since 9/11, but that's no fault of Bush. I now know how easy it is to blow somethin' up, or poison' somethin', or cause general mayhem. Nothin' any President can do will make me feel safe, because some nut job can get some fertilizer and household ingredients and level a decent-sized building if they felt like it. Even I could get a handgun and walk into, say, a high school football game, and kill loads of people. Boom, terrorism Bush failed to stop.

Generally, I agree with DocFrance. Good stuff.

[The Captain]

"You know, I kinda want Bush to win, just to shut up everyone who makes little remarks like "He was appointed, not elected," or calls him Governor Bush. He WAS elected. Before he was inaugurated, he was called the President-Elect, not, uh, somethin' else. He may not have the popular vote, but our system doesn't use that, so it doesn't matter. I hate it when people say "we", as in "we didn't elect him." A damn lot of people voted for him, enough to put him in office."

All I can say in reply to that is that the Courts ended the recount, which in turn elected Bush. Not to beat a dead topic, but had all the votes been tallied, Bush might not have won Florida and hence, not have become President.

Take care all.

[-N-]

I take issue with the word "deserves". No one really deserves to be President. You just kinda earn it. If you think about it, Kerry doesn't "deserve" the presidency anymore than Bush does. They both gotta fight for it. That said, I'll be voting for Kerry, if I can get my ass to the registration office to vote first. I am simply at odds with everything Bush does and does not do.

[The Captain]

Good point. If someone "Deserved" to be President, we wouldn't need an election because they'd stand out as the obvious choice.

Take care all.

[HIK248]

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[Freya Coral]

I don't believe Bush deserves to be re-elected. I'd sooner vote for John Kerry or even Ralph Nader. Here's why:

~He hasn't done anything to find Osama Bin Laden and stop Al-Qaida. IMO, Bin Laden is the bigger threat than Saddam ever was, although Saddam did some pretty vile things as well.

~Something should be done about the mess in Iraq, but I don't think it should be treated like a conquest. That's exactly what Emperor Bush is trying to do--he's trying to get the Iraqis to convert to democracy when that goes against everything the Iraqis--who are mostly Muslim--believe in. I say we should let the Iraqis rule their country the way THEY want to be ruled.

~Bush has alienated even historically friendly countries such as Germany, France, Britain...can't think of anymore at the moment, because of this drawn-out "war on terrorism." They are calling us "arrogant," "imperialistic," along with other assorted negative adjectives.