Isn't there a thread just like this in the FFXII forum?
Unfortunately, yes.
Hell, no!
Maybe, maybe not, who knows (except NashX, or course)
Isn't there a thread just like this in the FFXII forum?
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I'm confused. You say that square is running out of new ideas when they make a game like Tactics. Yet by making tactics there trying a new idea.
That's exactly what I'm saying, Spirit Wolf. Running out of new ideas would mean the games no longer offer ANYTHING new. So the games would all have a painfully similar story, combat system and characters, if not THE same.
Isn't this great? I've turned everyone against me!! MWAHAHAHAHA!!!
Now everyone is saying that I am stupid, contradictory and just a regular old fuddy-duddy...wait...does anyone say fuddy-duddy anymore?
I have expressed an opinion, and obviously raised some interesting questions. I am simply say that FFXII may do well. FFXIII may not be so great. How far can Square go? FFMCXXVIII seems a bit, well, unlikely.
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Yeah, but wouldn't it be fun? Just imagine how confusing it would be to keep the series straight at that point!
[q=NashX]I have expressed an opinion, and obviously raised some interesting questions. I am simply say that FFXII may do well. FFXIII may not be so great. How far can Square go? FFMCXXVIII seems a bit, well, unlikely.[/q]I think everyone agrees that the series can't go on forever, it's just that some people disagree with your reasons for saying so. Arguably, the series could be killed by either a lack of creativity - no new ideas, nothing innovative to capture the attention of people who're seeking a new experience. Alternatively, they could ruin their success by making radical, wild, ad hoc departures from what's "tried and true". Creativity is a real "balancing act', sometimes. There's got to be something that people can recognise and identify with, but you can't just churn out a carbon-copy of what worked in the past.
I'm hoping that the creators will end the series on a high note, instead of trudging along with game after game, until all potential for greatness has gone and the series grinds into a halt of anonymous mediocrity. Better to have a strong finish than to make desperate bids to get that last dollar out of the buyers.
what square really needs is some vibrant, new, young writers with big imaginations and noble hearts. that is what has made the past final fantasies so great. they arent just any video game, they have novel-esque depth to them. Final Fantasy much like an interactive classic novel, and so long as they havethat going for them the series will never die, but, as bad religion put it "all thats benign corrupts in time" and that is the truth with everything.. nothing can last forever.
I agree with everything you said up there NashX.
And I do think that "The Spirits Within" was nothing but garbage. Square spent too much time on the graphics, not the storyline or the dialouge. I had heard it took them a couple of years just to do Dr. Aki Ross' hair!
Final Fantasy, I do think, is starting to mess up, as the great plots of the older FF's, and the great ideas are slipping away.
I think it would be better if Square came out with new ideas instead of doing Final Fantasy all the time.
They have. Vagrant Story, Parasite Eve, Front Mission, The Bouncer and many others have all been developed by Square.
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No to mention Xenogears, Chrono Trigger, Chrono Cross, Holy Sword Legend, Kingdom Hearts, etc. Saying that Square only does Final Fantasy is like saying that Ford only makes trucks.
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Stop treating this discussion like a competition. It makes you come off as awfully immature, and goodness knows we don't want to think of you that way.
Sorry you feel that way. Shall we stop this now, if it makes Kawaii happy?
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NashX certainly has some interesting points although I don't know if I agree with all of them. I don't think Square trying things like FF-Tactics and Crystal Chronicles is proof of decline. With Tactics (PS & GBA), Square simply wanted to apply a FF style story and setting to a Tactical RPG but probably couldn't sell it simply as the next FF cause of its differences to FF's before it. As SpiritWolf said, it's hypocritical to say you want originality, and the complain when Square give just that. As for Crystal Chronicals, Square, I think, wanted to produce a slightly different style of FF for GC and also create an FF that friends could play together. As for Squares other games, they, like any other games company, wanted to do something other than their most popular game series, just like Konami want to do more than just Metal Gear Solid. Also, Square wanted to do RPG's not bound by FF tradition. What I do agree with NashX on is that graphics ARE beginning to overshadow substance. It's probably why most of the games I'm interested in buying are on GBA. Producers (and gamers) by and large, are more concerned with skin deep, shallow appearences than in plot or gameplay. It saddens me. It's only a matter of time before RPG's on the home consoles become little more than the Dungeons and Dragons style hack and slash "I'm gonna mash up that troll bad, innit?" games I've heard so much about. Maybe even as shallow as the flurry of war games that exist today. I play RPG's (and games in general) purely for plot and gameplay. I've never cared about visuals and it saddens me that they are swollowing up all I hold dear about games, especially RPG's. It's only a matter of time before the same happens on handhelds.
I'm not saying that FF has reached that point yet, although Square do obsess over visuals. It's just a general feeling I get. I can sense a general wrongness in gaming and from time to time, it worries me. As for Square running out of ideas, I don't think so.They've never waivered there. Even Square's return to their roots with IX felt fresh and original. Even in their sequel X-2, Square provided originality, when some, myself included, suspected rehash. In regards to the upcoming FFXII, I probably won't notice any rehash if there is any, cause I live in the UK where the PS's Tactics game never came out, but Square's return to the PS version of Ivalice will probably be as original as anything before it. Although I have my concerns, I also have faith in Square, and in their RPG rival companies, Capcom and Konami. If my sense of the end is warranted, then I don't think it's here just yet.
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