Transformers - calling all fans

[Snowman]

man i had the chance to get one of those infernos a while back....is he good.

if you can afford them....get them.

System...they didnt actually do anything new to Rinox. in season one of Beastwars Megs turns him predacon and primal knows that Rhinox as a pred would be too much for megs to handle (episode - Dark Designs)...infact Rhinox is so bad and plotting etc he almost wipes out the preds to rule them himself, that was the first time we saw the true depths of Rhinox. When megs used him in Beastmachines as a vehicon general all he did was create a shell program "tankor smash", this shell was broken leaveing Dark-Rhinox who again plotted to rule cybertron. it was tradgic but Both Primal and Rhinox, good freinds, saw the world differntly, which is why Primal could embrace the "balance" between the technological and the biological while Rhinox feared it, no surrpise when he was a mechanical genius and primal was a leader. if anything Beastmachines payed Rhinox a great respect singling him out as a great character and icon, Rhinox finally bringin about teh destruction of cybertron and apologising to Primal. i wish they hadnt killed him....but we each must walk the path before us.

they didnt do anything knew to him

[Kirobaito]

System Id was only talking about how they changed him in Beast Machines. You're correct, he stayed the same awesome character throughout Beast Wars. However, they ruined his character by turning him evil and not making him a Maximal like he should be. I would have loved to see Rhinox in the show, as himself, as opposed to a psychotic evil tank bent on destroying both sides.

[Snowman]

i understand what he was saying Kiro but actually System was technically wrong....Rhinox was already evil like that IN BEASTWARS (DarkDesigns seson one beastwars). Megatron had witnessed how villianous Rhinox could be, so he was ideal as a Vehicon general. the only problem was HOW bad Rhinox actually was. the most peaceful people allways hold the darkest power, and this was the case of Rhinox....in both Beastwars and Beastmachines. Rhinox also served as Primals best pal, which made his batrayle in choosing the technological rather than the technoganic so much harder to take....if anything beastmachines stayed TRUE to Rhinox by understanding who and what he truly was inside

[Kirobaito]

Well, I doubt Episode 13 "Dark Designs" really made that much of a difference to Megsy. I think that Silverbolt and Rhinox were the ones that he caught.

[System Id]

I admit that the change to Rhinox in Beast Machines was an interesting twist, but it just left a stale taste in my mouth. I think it would've been better if Tankor had turned out to be Tarantulas (had he not died in BW). He seemed to fit the "psychotic and sometimes goofy tank bent on destroying both sides" role a lot better than Rhinox. I also think I would've been fine with the whole story arc if Rhinox/Tankor (Rhankor?) had not died so suddenly. He could've pulled a Silverbolt and gone over to the Maximals again and slowly redeemed himself.

To make a wacky comparison, I find that Beast Wars Rhinox is kind of similar to Loial from the Wheel of Time books. Just try to imagine Loial turning evil and trying to destroy everyone. It's just really...weird.

[Snowman]

in darkdesings Megs is still arrogant, hopeing to twist and control Rhinoxs genius...instead it turned on him...he even admitted he had learned something "Yesss, sometimes predacons gloat too much". this was a classic episode that delved into the deeper realitys of our personality, who better than rhinox.
The only reason he chose them - silverbolt and rhinox was because it would tear primal up, and again, his own arrogance which has always been his undoing....poor waspinator

I agree they shouldnt have killed Rhinox or tankorr, but then EVERYONE died at the end didnt they, primal died in Beastwars and Rhinox brought him back from the dead, those two were always intwined. Tarantulas wouldnt have been anywhere near as pivital as Rhinox..besides, he lost everything when we discoverd he worked for the predacon secret polive and possibly unicron himself. Tankorr was a reflection of rhinox....power without intellect, rhinox is both power and intellect, and thats why he could make the phillosophical choice to side with megs rather than Primal. thats what Beastmachines was all about, points of veiw and how they differ. should we force others to agree, should we sacrifice, or compormise, and what if no one will compormise.

Silverbolt was aweful when he came back, he should have been a doggy bot....but mostly beastmachines was too short and underdeveloped, i think it could be alot better if worked by dreamwave (or me lol) ill have to design a BM Rhinox, check out my cheetor and black arachnia on the art threads

what about armada...it's so naff

[Kirobaito]

I've never gotten into anything past Beast Machines, and I've already designed a BM Rhinox ^_^

[Snowman]

i watched an episode or a couple of armada and i was shocked that it wasnt a transformers show....it was about three kids who make pals with transformers and then continually make prime and the others look useless cmpared to us....it was a bad idea, hopefully Energon has rectified that. then theres transformers Universe, set after beastmachines (armada and energon are seperate relties), Primal has been ressurected to fight the NEW oncoming of unicron

[Storm]

I do enjoy the Transformers quite a bit. In fact, the name of my soccer team is the "Decepticons".

Here's proof:
http://www.edsa.org/indoor/Standings...dings/6AM.html

http://www.edsa.org/outdoor/standing...dings/7AM.html

[Snowman]

i just dont understand why people would support the cons.....the decepticons would stand on us rather than look at us. perhaps people like to think they would be tough if they were a con?

[Cuchullain]

The ORIGINAL Transformers were good. There were only going to be three episodes (if you watch the second, it says "Next time, on the last episode of...the Transformers"). Not keen on much after the movie; I never did like Rodimus Prime or Galvatron.

[Palindrome]

I don't think anyone here is a bigger transformers fan than me. (hence the avatar) I have toys from G1 clear through beast wars. I even kept everyones stat cards and the little red tinted plastic thingies to read them. I just couldn't stand Beast Mechines and the japanamation version was a monstrosaty. I wanna punch the guy who said "lets make optimus prime a fire truck". Even now that angers me. Oh by the way, constructacons are the best faction. Some days when i am bored i like to take out all of my old toys, transform them then pack them away again.

funny comic

I also have (in my opinion) a much better sequal to beast wars than beast mechines. The story goes as follows: Everyone who servived the ordeal on earth return to cybertron and megatron is awating trial and will most certainly be senteced to termination. Now here is where the twist comes in so bare with me. If i remember correctly, megatron took the original megatrons spark into his own body to gain his advanced form as the dragon, but he is never shown putting it back. So he still has the original megatrons spark with his own. Killing him would have detramental effects on the time/space continuum. This also alows the reintroduction of the creepy aliens that created earth. So optimus primal is charged with retreiveing the original megatron's spark. To make matters worse the deceptacons decide that with the pressence of their exalted leader that now is the time to start their revolution yet again.

[Kirobaito]

Well, Bob Forward and Larry DiTillio (the story editors) said that due to time constraints, they skipped the spark-extraction scene, but they said that it did occur.

<b>EDIT: And why you may love G1 more than I do, nobody, and I mean NOBODY, loves BW more than I do. Seriously. I have about 100 different BW sigs. Including this one.</b>

[Snowman]

Rodimus prime was great in the movie.....but he became to much of a token worryer in the serise after. people would have accepted him if he made his own path rather than worried about the boots left behind from optimus.

Pal, i dont know if thats being a true fan or being a true TF geek lol.

i was around in the begingin and i stuck with it were my family could afford too, when i was in hospital dieing (in my youth) i was lucky enough for those who knew me to all put cash in togeather and i got the original G1 optimus prime. ive still got all my figs today and they are filling up my bedroom etc lol.

beastwars never made much of an appearance over here so i never knew about it untill 2001 when channel five showed teh serise from begining to end. i was fortunate to get Beastmachines on dvd....it's got alot of faults but it is also one of the bravest TF shows ever.

"CONRTUVTICONS INFERIOR, SOUNDWAVE SUPIRIOR"

G1 megs spark was "off screen" replaced into it's body after twisitng BW megs mind. this had made BW megs hate anything organic...ironic as we would discover cybertron began life with organics.

the Vok were only presumed destroyed since we only ever saw two of them....their could have been more and indeed they were resurected in the botcon comic strip.

decepticons dont exist anymore, neither do autobots, except perhaps in the council of elders, even Iacon is buried beneath teh surface.....so how the cons would resurface is a bit tricky. however the Tripredicus council were already planning to take over cybertron since they were neither autobot,maximal, decepticon or predacon....they were something else - as pointed out by Tarantulas who stated the destruction of teh ark would have no bearing on HIS history or race.

BW Megs thawted this plan when he fell through time and over powerd cybertron.

question is, did he do that, BEFORE depthcharge left the future to join the bestwars. if he did then depthcharge may still live.

nobody has to be down on beastmachines...hasbro panicked and created Universe to replace the cars and trucks of peoples love.

im a devoted TF fan.....as you will notice by me defending BM despite it's horrors.....i just dont bother showing that love in sigs and avvies etc....theres to much to choose from.

i carnt remeber...does anyone here collect dreamwaves top quality TF comics

[Kirobaito]

Well, Cybertron doesn't have an organic origin. That's the point that many people were making about BM. It was created as a mining colony. BoB Skir didn't know exactly what he was doing when he chose for it to take that path. He didn't know that it was impossible for Cybertron to have an organic core.