this doesnt belong in the lounge because technically im talking about the fans, not so much teh show, also transformers is currently readable in novels and graphic novels, videogames, onloine forums, collectors materials etc

Hey Kiro, you do like them, i just got my BM brand spankin new Cheetor today

Rye.......TF was originally vehicles, G1 was the classic show with Optimus Prime, it was radical and controversial to create beastwars and Beastmachines in the first place....and Beastmachines was a divide, vehicons with no signs of organics vs the maximals who were almost entirely organic (technoganic). I agree Armada was naff, but it had some good points

Yo Somthing, i cried too for Dinobot, plus TF the movie is my fav film of all time. I was reffering to the god's religion of cybertron about Primus and Unicron, and in Beastmachines they became heavily spiritual, do learn to transform you had to look within, reach out to the matrix and come to peace. Primal became a guru and prophet.
the bat primal was called Optimus Minor

Even the creators of beastmachines point out that the powers that be PUNISHED THEM, Mainframe were told they would only get half teh time to create episodes and half the pay. The also wanted to create a darker show for a more mature audiance.....sure instead they created a program about running away, but there were also alot of good parts with teh bad. SilverBolt went from teh chivalrous knight to the revengeful samurai because Megatron had abused him, he had twisted Silverbolt inside out and turned him into a weapon of mass destruction. Ratrap didnt have an easy time either, primals warriors excelled in learning to transform, there wasnt any quick fix, only encountering your own spirituality would allow you to turn into a robot, so rattrap sold out to Megatron. The whole show as about morality and ethics.....Machine versus nature, weather Might was right or Might should be used for right. it wasnt simply a cartoon with a guest villian of the week.

If anyone wants a taste of TF, check out Transfandom, it's a big resource with a thriving community and a online monthly TF mag.

if anyone wants i can ansure most TF questions, but this isnt a place for TF hate