why dont they.
Release all ''the supposed terrorists'' in Guantanomo Bay, and implant micro ships into there bodies, so we find out where they go, and they all be tracked by gps satellites. An then we can capture more terrorists. Its a good idea, and I dont see why we cant do that. We should drug them to so they dont know, and have no memory what so ever on what happen.
They don't do that because it is completely rediculous. Such a thing isn't so simple, and honestly, it just wouldn't work. The suggestion alone is ludicrious and unrealistic.
It's not a good idea because it's dangerous. Releasing dangerous people back into society, tracked or not is not a good thing. We can be tracking them across the face of the earth, and unless we have constant visuals of their actions, they could easily do something terrible. Tracking them isn't enough.
As for finding more terrorists... how would we know when they're around other terrorists? We wouldn't, unless, once again, we have constant visuals.
As for drugging them, it's not that simple either.
Ask yourself that question now and tell me it makes sense.
It does make sense, if we can track animals we can track humans. An talking about releasing these people, maybe not all of them, but those who get court tribunal or somthing. An get released. We can find out where they go and what not. Hell maybe add a little recorder to it. It may sound ludicrious and unrealistic to you, but I think as a Optimist, it can be done, with todays technology.
The cost would be ridiculous, not to mention that treating human beings like animals is disgusting.
Anyway, these people arent 'terrorists'. Maybe some are, but they werent captured for terrorist acts, they were fighting the American invasion of their home, Afgahnistan. Don't blindly lump them all in as terrorists. You'd do the same if someone invaded your country, wouldnt you?
This very thought makes me ill. You're thinking of treating these human beings like animals. If they're such terrible terrorists, then they can stay in prison. They arent guinea pigs.
Problem is, that would take a lot of time and also, I believe the Geneva Convention doesn't allow for anything to be implanted into a POW. Whether the government calls them POW's or not is really besides the point seeing as how they were captured during a war, which I do believe would make them prisoners of war.
Also, one things humans have over animals is the ability to lie and be very cunning. Suppose a single terrorist figures out he's being tracked and decides to act like he's going to meet up with his Cell but instead goes somewhere else and we attack innocent people?
It's an interesting thought, but in my opinion, it leaves too much to chance.
Also, as was mentioned, this would seem to border on testing things on people, which wouldn't make us look like the "Better" or "Morally Superior" people.
Take care all.
The cost would be ridiculous, not to mention that treating human beings like animals is disgusting.
Well, I think the guys over there who bomb up there own people, when there rebuilding Iraq are animals, and should be treated like animals. It isnt right at all, same with those guys who beheaded that civilian contractor nic berg, and now that korean guy on the news, who simply was minding is own business and was doing his job. Why dont they arm those guys with guns? When Mercenaries arnt enough. Hell, if I was over there as a contractor, I would like a shot gun please. An yeah, the guys in Guantanomo bay or whatever, not all of them are innocent or guilty. Hell, if this lead to catching more terrorist bastards, I'd gladly support it. An the Geneva convention, it seems those guys aren't abiding to it much either.
An how come we cant even kill that Alsodar guy, its so difficult to find him. When like in Israel its so easy, they just missle strike the PLO leader after leader just like that. How come we cant do that? If Israel can do it, I think we can do it to.
Its funny how they think of us as invadors when were rebuilding the place. Invadors hah. whatever. Oh yeah man, Nic Berg was a invador!! When he was over there to rebuilding the place.
I understand your point of view, but I think arming the workers would only be further incentive for the terrorists to capture them, and probably would lead to a lot more of the same.
Take care all.
The guys in Camp X-ray, Cuba, are from Afghanistan. Not Iraq. They arent terrorists, they were defending their country. How about if America is ever invaded, you go by the invaders rules. As long as the invaders believe they're doing good work, then you dont dare fight against them.Originally Posted by noname
It doesnt matter if they dont abide by the Geneva convention. In fact, I dont know if their country even signed it. Two wrongs DO NOT MAKE A RIGHT. If we are, as you seem to think, so morally superior to these people, then we should act it.
THE PEOPLE IN GUANTANAMO BAY ARE NOT TERRORISTS. They have not been convicted of anything. They didnt do anything in Iraq BECAUSE THEY'RE AFGHANS. They've been in those cells since before we ever set foot in Iraq.
I'm not condoning the terrible things that go on. But your logic just hurts my head. The people in Guantanamo having even been brought up on charges, yet you've labeled them as terrorists. Why? Because they're Afghans? Because they're Muslims? Because they're skin is dark? If not any of these reasons, then why?
You're telling me that if a country you hated with every fiber of your being came to invade your country, even to oust a leader you hated, you'd sit there and let them take over? To destroy the infrastructure, torture what little military power you had, and you'd sit there and let them?
You didnt even know Nic Berg before he was killed. None of us did, and none of them did. They saw the man as a soldier of the invading force. What they did was disgusting, wrong, and vile. And if you support doing such things to them; mindless bombing, experimentation, and ignoring the Geneva Convention, you're no better than they are.
You know who liked to experiment on 'prisoners'? Josef Mengule.
Sure, let's violate human rights a little more. Hell, after all, human rights have been violated so many times in Guantanamo it's almost fun! I want to violate human rights when I grow up. Anyway, who cares, those people there are against freedom and justice, so let's treat them like animals!
Heh, I found a job in Cuba and I am moving there for a month this autum. If I find any person there who speaks in arabic language, I'll put the chip so we can carry out the evil matermind plan. And then, create a race of atomic supermen to take over the world.
Then what are they? There all innocent? None of them are guilty?THE PEOPLE IN GUANTANAMO BAY ARE NOT TERRORISTS.
You're telling me that if a country you hated with every fiber of your being came to invade your country, even to oust a leader you hated, you'd sit there and let them take over? To destroy the infrastructure, torture what little military power you had, and you'd sit there and let them?
Yeah why not, especially if it was a governmant like the Taliban. Who didnt respect womans rights, largely corrupt, and we bombed them because Osama was there. Yet we didnt get Osama... Besides that the infrastructure, there was no infrastructure, when almost like 90% of the people lay in poverty.
Yeah well, its just that there ignorant, they shouldn't have decapitated the guy, not knowing if he was a civilian or military personal. He wasnt in military uniform to, and they just mindlessly had to decapitate him. Without using there brain. An putting chips into there bodies is not doing any harm at all, how about think what there doing to us for instance, instead of thinking that there all innocent little human beings. Were just all infidels in there mind. They do mindless bombings, how about the car bombing that killed 30 some iraqis and injured over 100 people a couple days ago, those Iraqis were going to sign up to be the police. An obviously, they dont want order over there by doing that, those terrorists. An also isntead of targeting military personal there starting to target there own infrastructure, by bombing there own people. There just cowards.You didnt even know Nic Berg before he was killed. None of us did, and none of them did. They saw the man as a soldier of the invading force. What they did was disgusting, wrong, and vile. And if you support doing such things to them; mindless bombing, experimentation, and ignoring the Geneva Convention, you're no better than they are.
Terrorists are the same if they be from Afghanistan or Iraq.
THEY ARENT IN THE PRISON BECAUSE THEY'RE TERRORISTS, BUT BECAUSE THEY'RE ENEMY COMBATANTS. Is that hard to understand? They werent blowing up cars, they werent sucide bombing, they werent trying to do any of this, they were defending their country. Maybe some in there our terrorists. Maybe if our government would afford them some basic rights, they'd have trials and we'd find out.
Would you put yourselves in their shoes for a bit? First of all, I was refering to both Iraq and Afghanistan, since you're constantly doing the same. Secondly, in their minds, their government was right. And they hated the US. You're not being honest or not thinking it through if you say that you wouldnt support your government against an invading force. Try thinking like they do, right or wrong.Yeah why not, especially if it was a governmant like the Taliban. Who didnt respect womans rights, largely corrupt, and we bombed them because Osama was there. Yet we didnt get Osama... Besides that the infrastructure, there was no infrastructure, when almost like 90% of the people lay in poverty.
Yes, terrorists are bad. They're wrong, and they're sick. But doing things like putting chips in their bodies and violating their basic human rights makes us just as bad. Nic Berg wouldnt have been beheaded if America hadnt invaded Iraq, right? And he probably wouldnt have if the things in Abu Grave (or however it's spelled) hadnt gone on. But regardless, by we as a people turning around and violating human rights because our 'enemy' did so first... not only is it childish, it's sick and twisted.
If we cant treat people with basic respect and compassion, then we have no moral leg to stand on.
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Then what are they? There all innocent? None of them are guilty?
none of them have been proven guilty, therefore they are ALL innocent... at least i thought that was the American way but ive been having some doubts lately...
Terrorists are the same if they be from Afghanistan or Iraq.
Iraq had no ties to al'queda. i knew this from teh begining, you knew this from teh begining. its common knowledge. facts just dont matter anymore because george bush can make up his own facts and everyone buys them. oh yeah btw, in WW2 the after teh french were taken over by the germans, the french rebels would often times go into cafe's where german soldiers were off duty at having a good time and they woudl bring in their machine guns and kill them, then run off? and of course this was ok because they were our allies and the germans were the enemy. do you know what that woudl be called today?? yeah tahts right, terrorism. during the american revolution one of the founding fathers, i think it was john adams, set up a bunch of different groups of rebels to destroy british things and kill british soldier. much like the boston tea party. these groups would be called cells today and they would also be considered terrorists. do you think american revolutionaries should have been treated like animals? they were doing the same things as the 'terrorists' of today.
Last edited by nik0tine; 06-21-2004 at 02:12 AM.
Actually, you know, I've been reading Hannah Arendt lately, and arrived to the conclusion we coulnd't really call people who blindly follow orders "evil". And yes, this goes for terrorists as well for soldiers, death squads or torturers. Hold on, there's a very interesting document here...
http://home.swbell.net/revscat/perilsOfObedience.html
Read it. It will hardly leave you indifferent.
Well yeah, I didnt call them evil. All of this stuff is a very grey area. But I will read that, thanks very much.
Actually, Iraq may have no ''ties'' to al'qaeda, but supported terrorism, like Hamosk (whateva you spell it), against Israel.Iraq had no ties to al'queda. i knew this from teh begining, you knew this from teh begining. its common knowledge.
Yeah, and Ill read that later Nexus.
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