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[DMKA]

"It's not that consumers are so loyal to Microsoft, but more they are apathetic,"

I agree with this. IE is just hassle free compared to all the others that you have to download a MILLION plugins just to make it run and then theres still sites that won't work, plus they're slow on opening unless you have a fastass PC, and even then its still slow on opening, though its faster and more accurate on loading pages, I'll admit.

I use IE and will continue to because I have a dialup connection and it very annoying to have to download a ton of files to get a browser to semi-work, and then it still won't load most of the sites I visit, while IE is compatible with anything and everything.

So what I'm trying to say is IE may not be great but Firefox and Mozilla suck far worse.

[Nait]

Devilmaykickass! As your personal Prophet, I prophetise thus!

<i>When the years turn a handful four-hundred one,
And the pyres of change burn in Babylon,
When bracelets of the god found beneath our eye,
When people still kill and when people still die,
The old master renounced by the heralds of the west,
It isn't the most sacred, strong or best,
It's diseased with madness and diseased with pain,
Diseased with sickness, so let the Fox of Fire reign!
It bears no cloth but which it is given,
It has a mission to which it is striven,
Follow it's trail on the safer course,
And so it will bring, balance to the Force.</i>

Ok maybe not one of my better ones but you get the idea.

[Baloki]

All I can say is you all say how its hard to get virus' for Firefox and etc but thats because their minority browsers, if you were a hacker you wouldn't program a virus or spyware program to attack say half a million firefox browsers when theres over 2 billion IE browsers to attack.

If Firefox or Mozzilla or whatever became the browser of choice it would prove to be just as vunerable, its because its not widespread that it doesn't suffer.

[Nait]

All I can say is you all say how its hard to get virus' for Firefox and etc but thats because their minority browsers, if you were a hacker you wouldn't program a virus or spyware program to attack say half a million firefox browsers when theres over 2 billion IE browsers to attack.

If Firefox or Mozzilla or whatever became the browser of choice it would prove to be just as vunerable, its because its not widespread that it doesn't suffer.

So what stops you from changing? What you say doesn't change the fact that Firefox is STILL the minority browser.

On a side-note, does Netscape have as many vulnerabilities as IE?

[Evelia]

Trying to get my dad to switch to Firefox, too, since he keeps complaining about viruses. u.u;

[Baloki]

Not if everyone changed to it it wouldn't be, and yes Netscape has the same flaws as the AOL Browser now because they are both based off IE

[Nait]

Not if everyone changed to it it wouldn't be, and yes Netscape has the same flaws as the AOL Browser now because they are both based off IE

Yes yes, but as you should be saying, who will change? You're acting out of the premise that everyone will change from IE to Firefox like THAT, <i>but you yourself are a counter-example</i>.

[crono_logical]

All I can say is you all say how its hard to get virus' for Firefox and etc but thats because their minority browsers, if you were a hacker you wouldn't program a virus or spyware program to attack say half a million firefox browsers when theres over 2 billion IE browsers to attack.

If Firefox or Mozzilla or whatever became the browser of choice it would prove to be just as vunerable, its because its not widespread that it doesn't suffer.

Ah, but if Firefox/Mozilla get targeted by hackers/whatever, the response for getting patches out and available would be much much faster than MS ever does it - one of the nice things about open source software I believe MS still hasn't released a proper patch for the current vulnerability yet and it's been around 2 weeks now - if you read between the lines for what they have released, all it does is change your configuration a bit, potentially breaking advanced functions businesses may use for internal intranet functions, but doesn't actually fix anything.


As for calling people idiots for still using IE, well, I think it's perfectly justified if they know the problems in IE, are able to change browser (ie they're not using someone else's PC), essentially have no reason to not demote IE to minimal usage for viewing the crappiest of sites or work practices, yet continue to refuse to make the change

[Baloki]

They have got the patch out since friday actually, and if we had it Unnes way we would all use other ones like Firefox and Mozzilla

[RSL]

There's no real good reason not to get firefox, in my opinion.

[Endless]

Friday's patch doesn't <i>fix</i> the problem, but just puts a well, patch on IE. The exploit still exists, the patch just disables what is used to exploit it: the ADODB.Stream ActiveX Control.

Think of it as using a bike and you realize there's a leak in your tube. MS keeps giving you patches for your tube for each time you find a hole. It kinda works, but eventually, you need to replace the tube altogether.

There's even an <a href="http://slate.msn.com/id/2103152/">article on MSN</a> about ditching IE.

[Nait]

They have got the patch out since friday actually, and if we had it Unnes way we would all use other ones like Firefox and Mozzilla

But, you see, <i>Unne doesn't always get his way.</i> You're proof of that.

[Loony BoB]

Ever since I stopped looking at porn and set up a firewall, I've had no problems with IE at all. And I've only ever had two problems prior to that in years upon years.

Does Firefox have all the abilities for things that IE does yet? I tried it back when it was firebird or whatever and it sucked because it couldn't do everything I wanted it to. I remember that I couldn't view some sites like HSBC, where I do my banking.

[Meat Puppet]

Ever since I stopped looking at porn and set up a firewall, I've had no problems with IE at all.

Ah. So that's where my viruses are flooding from.

I just use IE and Firefox. Best of both worlds. Might make them breed. Who knows.

[Dr Unne]

If virus writers targeted Firefox, it would NOT be as bad as IE. Firefox doesn't auto-execute programs without asking you. Firefox doesn't use ActiveX, which serves two purposes in life: Windows Update and running viruses. Firefox doesn't randomly reset its security settings without asking you. Firefox isn't half-embedded into the Windows kernel. Firefox is open source; when a problem pops up, someone can fix it themselves, rather than wait a few months and see if MS throws you a bone. And MS doesn't give a crap about browser users, because it has the entire market in its pocket. IE hasn't been significantly updated in what, 3 or 4 years?

And of course from a web designer's point of view, IE is a piece of absolute trash. I'd tell people to not use it for that reason alone, even if it WAS easier/better to use or something, which is isn't.

[qq=devilmaykickass]IE is just hassle free compared to all the others that you have to download a MILLION plugins just to make it run and then theres still sites that won't work, plus they're slow on opening unless you have a fastass PC, and even then its still slow on opening, though its faster and more accurate on loading pages, I'll admit.[/qq]

Have you ever actually used Firefox at all? By default with no plugins Firefox is far more feature-rich than IE. Javascript control, popup blocking, tabs, ltype-ahead find, Google search bar, etc. Opera is even more so. Extensions in Firefox can bring it up to the level of Opera. Could you refer specifically to one or two of the millions of plugins required to make Firefox work properly for you?

Firefox opens in less than a second on my computer. Almost instantaneously in Windows, and slower in Linux actually.

[qq=Loony BoB]Does Firefox have all the abilities for things that IE does yet? I tried it back when it was firebird or whatever and it sucked because it couldn't do everything I wanted it to. I remember that I couldn't view some sites like HSBC, where I do my banking.[/qq]

Use Firefox for everything except those sucky pages coded only to work with IE. A personal page, I can see someone not spending the time to test it. A professional page with hired web designers, making pages that only work in IE? There's no excuse. There are less and less of those sites in existence as time goes on, thankfully. Code to standards and your web page will work in IE, Firefox, cell phones, and whatever else you want to throw at it. "My bank's site works" isn't a strength of IE, it's a weakness of the morons who made that site. If you could name another "ability" IE has that Firefox doesn't, that'd be neat.

EDIT: Just saw that MSN article about how Firefox is better than IE. That's sadly amusing.