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    http://www.theboywhocriediraq.com/

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    i havent read most of it yet but i do notice one thing. this ramble is an expanded upon song. check out anti-flags, anatomy of your enemy, and you will notice something similar with the headers.

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    The creepiest thing happened to me while I was reading that... All the sudden my monitor went black. I still had power to my comp and everything, but my monitor just... went black.

    This might sound paranoid delusional, but what if the government did that? They can trace all the pages everyone looks at... but again, I could just be paranoid. Or it could've just been some hacker kid...

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    your just paranoid, although im sure they wouldnt hesitate to do it if they could. actaully, believe it or not, one goal of the bush administration is to gain control over cyberspace. people really only know half of the story when they criticise bush. if you want to know bush's REAL agenda, check out the project for the new american century. http://www.newamericancentury.org/ that is the website, this is the actual document.

    http://www.newamericancentury.org/Re...asDefenses.pdf

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    Ugh. I dislike Bush with a passion but he is not a Nazi. His words shouldn't be put next to Goering's. I also hope the author understands Orwell was not a pacifist. And I could go on... that whole piece was intellectually and historically disingenuous.

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    Um, nothing I hadn't read or thought before, but it's still a nice rant.

    As for hte comparisons with Hitler, well, I think he's got a point. I don't mean Bush is going to conquer the world (Well, the corporations already do) or make an ethnic genocide, but his way of speaking is not that far, using always "evil", "god", "patriotism" and "national security". Of course, it's not like Bush and Hitler are the only ones to do that, fascistoid speeches are always the best in terms of war, just using abstract terms in the worse way as possible to take people to your side.

    Uuuh....vulgar speeches.
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    This is a bit too "conspiracy theorist" for my tastes, but I though he did make some rather interesting points, and presented them quite well. Also, I found his use of Howard Zinn's material to be quite interesting, Zinn's books are usually extremely critical of America in general.

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    That's fairly close to my impression also, albeit minus the exaggeration. I didn't find much value in anything that was written. I guess it wasn't meant to convert new followers to that line of thinking as much as it was meant to make current followers grab a torch and a pitchfork and fight the establishment.
    Knock yourselves down.

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    That's fairly close to my impression also, albeit minus the exaggeration. I didn't find much value in anything that was written. I guess it wasn't meant to convert new followers to that line of thinking as much as it was meant to make current followers grab a torch and a pitchfork and fight the establishment.
    Probably, but the arguments are pretty well supported text-wise, though I'm sure that it'd be just as easy to find one's own texts to disprove it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goyabean
    Ugh. I dislike Bush with a passion but he is not a Nazi. His words shouldn't be put next to Goering's. I also hope the author understands Orwell was not a pacifist. And I could go on... that whole piece was intellectually and historically disingenuous.

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    Fair enough, but 'fascistoid speeches' are as old as civilization(or lack thereof) itself. The biggest difference between Bush and Hitler was that Hitler followed through on his rhetoric. He is probably the most honest leader of the 20th century. Bush is too much of a coward to follow through on his word. Don't misinterpert this, his honesty did rage the most murderous war in history and significantly accelerated the symbiosis of the state and the industrial military complex throughout the world. Bush will never be that horrible. In terms of actual damage done, Reagan would be closer and, ideology aside, he is damn near Stalin.

    Look at all the world leaders today and in some ways most are watered down Nazis.

    (Here's a real ass-kicker: the Democrats have killed way more people than the Republicans during the last 100 yrs.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by goyabean

    (Here's a real ass-kicker: the Democrats have killed way more people than the Republicans during the last 100 yrs.)

    thats because they have been in power longer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nik0tine
    thats because they have been in power longer.
    Not true. It's been virtually even since 1900. In fact, I count 52 years Republican, 52 years Democratic, but I could be slightly off.

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    This is a bit too "conspiracy theorist" for my tastes
    I don't see the conspiracy theory anywhere. Conspiracy theory is "OMG BUSH IS MOHAMMED ATTA'S DAD". TYhe information provided on that web is of popular knowledge, nothing we didn't know before.

    Fair enough, but 'fascistoid speeches' are as old as civilization(or lack thereof) itself.
    Yeah, they have. The bad part is people actually believe them.

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    By "conspiracy theorist" I mean more the portrayal of Bush's motives as downright, well, for lack of a better term, evil. I can't quite bring myself to think of Bush as evil at the moment, though if he keeps going the way he's going...

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