that made for long reading but I did it. I remember being a newbie and I made my first few posts in the FFVIII and FFX forums and the only person who actually noticed I was new (to my knowlege -as in actually recieving a comment) was Rye and I dont remember ever putting a newbie thread up but you know I have been on smaller forums and bigger ones than this and to be honest the sex0ring, claiming ect is not half as bad as most of the stuff I have experienced on other forums. The worst experience as a newbie was on Keen space forums where cause my first post (one of these unwritten rules) was a question every member of the forum including other newbies flamed me I was there all of 3 days. They weren't particulary good flames at that but it was sheer number of them I went back later under a different name and was accepted into them straight away my last act on that forum was to tell them exactly who I was (number one on the most hated member list) and flamed the lot of them since then I haven't been back and wont recommend the place to anyone at all. But seriously if people cant deal with our minor stuff like sex0ring then what kind of chance do they have out there on the big bad internet?