No, no, not evil, just plain imperialistic and etnocentric. If that is evil depends on your outlook on things. I certainly don't like it.Originally Posted by Behold the Void
No, no, not evil, just plain imperialistic and etnocentric. If that is evil depends on your outlook on things. I certainly don't like it.
Oh I don't like it, of that there's no doubt. I just can't bring myself to say that the war is completely about oil. Yet, anyways.
Of course not. There's more than just oil. I bet some people at the Bush administration really try to believe the liberation thing, more to keep their conscience clean than anything else. Whatever.
You're in a bit different situation Shadow, you don't live here. I HAVE to believe that there's some sort of insane justification behind this foolishness or I might go insane.
Oh, you don't need to find any justification, you just need to realise your country is ruled by a bunch of assholes. But thats not a problem, most countries are ruled by a bunch of assholes. Well, wait, it is a problem, but thats why being critical with stuff helps.
OK, I think the people who declared this war did it for interest, but attempt to justify it by saying "well, Saddam was evil, the world is safer now". But the world is not safer.
Oh, and if you ever feel bad, listen to "The Future" by Leonard Cohen. Then you'll know there's always someone more negative than you ^^
this war is not about getting rich, contrary to what opponents of the war believe. its really about preserving the american superpower for as long as possible. its not about getting rich from oil profits (although that is a plus side for the bush adminsitration) its about controling middle easter oil, and also about moving away from the european theatre and towards the asian theatre. Iraq is in the middle of the middle east. in other words, the unietd states can attack virtually ANY middle easter country from iraq.
the Bush administrations goal is to be able to succesfully wage two largescale wars at one time. looking at this geographically, they may be talking about fighting in china AND europe at the same time. i know i have said this a MILLION times, but the project for the new american century is the plan that the bush administration is following. (some of the people who wrote it are donald rumsfeld, d=paul wolfowitz, and dick cheney.) these people are insane, and if this plan is followed into the future by many other different administrations it could mean the death of this country in my opinion. if you want to know george bush's next move, check out this document, as well as its official website. i could get into my conspiracy theory here, but ive yet to get anyone to believe me lol.
"OK, I think the people who declared this war did it for interest, but attempt to justify it by saying "well, Saddam was evil, the world is safer now". But the world is not safer."
that argument DOES NOT HOLD! if memory serves me, in the project for the new american century (PNAC) it states that the united states should invade iraq REGARDLESS of whether or not saddam hussein is in power.
also, right after 9/11 the PNAC sent the bush administration a letter saying they should use 9/11 as an excuse to invade iraq even though they had NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. and what did the bush administration do? they made plans to do just that. invade iraq and they used 'terrorism' to help justify it. there is no bigger lie than that. these people disgust me.
Last edited by nik0tine; 07-23-2004 at 12:22 AM.
Um...no, this war is a reafirmation of US power to regain the respect it lost after 9-11. In other words, it is saying "we are the best, don't mess with us". Also, it is a strategic position, having a friendly (puppet) goverment in the Middle East is very helpful. Then there's the economic colonialism: Installing the US multinationals in Iraq with the excuse of reconstruction. Then there's oil. And then is freedom and democracy among other lies.
...eh...no, no, I seriously doubt the US will declare war on Europe and China. It is plain absurd, completly stupid. Who would declare war on China anyway? It's digging your own grave. It's like...attacking Russia in winter! Like Napoleon and Hitlerthe Bush administrations goal is to be able to succesfully wage two largescale wars at one time. looking at this geographically, they may be talking about fighting in china AND europe at the same time.
Yes, it is their idea.. i know i have said this a MILLION times, but the project for the new american century is the plan that the bush administration is following. (some of the people who wrote it are donald rumsfeld, d=paul wolfowitz, and dick cheney.) these people are insane, and if this plan is followed into the future by many other different administrations it could mean the death of this country in my opinion. if you want to know george bush's next move, check out this document, as well as its official website.
http://www.newamericancentury.org/
This web site is done by many members at the Bush administration, I recommend everyone to look through it, it's like an online Mein Kampff capitalist style. Basically the idea is for the US leadership to be more powerful than it is now, in other words, pure imperialism, but done in the "nice" way, meaning "friendly" (puppet) goverments and free market with wonderful economic deals NAFTA style, not puting the US flag in the goverment buildings of other countries.
You're right. I would not believe you.i could get into my conspiracy theory here, but ive yet to get anyone to believe me lol.
Are you sure? It dosen't sound very logical they would say that knowing Saddam would probably still be in power for years without an attack. What I mean is that it sounds foolish to say in a web site your true intentions for doing this or that political movement that will kill thousands. Everyone knows they did it for the Al Quaeda ties to Saddam! Oh, wait...it was the weapons of mass destruction! No, wait, damn it, it was the liberation! Oh...or was it to stop terrorism? :rolleyes2 Let's just said it was because God demanded.that argument DOES NOT HOLD! if memory serves me, in the project for the new american century (PNAC) it states that the united states should invade iraq REGARDLESS of whether or not saddam hussein is in power.
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