The Kerry Speech

[Mr. Mojo Risin]

Hmmmmm, another Hitler comparison but I'm beginning to come around. The truth is that the 'moron' model of politics works. That's right. A loud voice, modest success for the common guy and constant reminders of a conjured evil. The thinking goes "Bush is evil everything he does evil." Now, we are at a point where people refuse to think about an issue beyond their ideology. It's becoming dangerously religious. We are presented a nebulous of ideals and slogans, which are far from realistic, without being explained how it will be accomplished and like some act of God we are supposed to belive that Kerry can accomplish the great task of being less hateable(that's not a word) than Bush.

The last president to tell people to lower their standards was Jimmy Carter right before he lost to the phoniest president of all time.

[escobert]

I see, so their adult life and moralistic standards from YOUR point of view determines how good of a president they'll be... As the economy is so much better with a hick who can't speak in office, also note we aren't very liked anymore.

The economy is trout because Clinton messed it all up right before he left.

[ZeZipster]

The economy is trout because Clinton messed it all up right before he left.

I see, so Bush couldn't do anything about it for 4 years, and he STILL went to war even with it that way?

[Mr. Graves]

And did Bush help? I don't think so. The right-wingers say it's improving, but I've not seen evidence yet, neither has anybody else that I know.

For me, the speech did nothing to make me like him more. I support him, because I agree with a majority of the stances Kerry's put forth, excluding abortion, since that's one of the few views I agree with conservatives on.

EDIT: Zipster put it better than I did. Right on.

[Azure Chrysanthemum]

The general "consensus" is that the president before the current president effects the economy. If this is indeed true, than Clinton produced his own economic upturn, which he enjoyed in his second term. After an economic upturn, there will ALWAYS be a recession, it is unavoidable.

However, it is difficult for me to believe that the president alone affects the economy either positively or negatively in any large way. The economy is so unpredictable it fluctuates greatly. The biggest effect a president can have, in my opinion, is on the mood of the investors. If this is true, then it is quite telling indeed.

[FreaQaZoiD]

I dont think people read my post. hAiZzZz...

Okay...well to wrap it up i basically said that EVERY ASPECT should be under scrutiny. Not whether they can speak well, not their private lives and relationships, not their leadership skills, etc. BUT ALL OF THESE!

True, Bush hasn't dont anything to improve the economy, but he did go to war And we know that can only be a sign of 'good leadership', especially when no complete BC weapons were found in Iraq.

Can Ya Dig It?

~~~FreaQ

[Moose Knight]

The economy is trout because Clinton messed it all up right before he left.

This is toal BS. All eight years of Clinton's presidency saw economic recovery. If his plan was such a failure, then wouldn't the economy have only been good for, say, 2-3 years?

I think the Kerry speech did say a bit about what his tax plan was, I think (lift middle class taxes, tax upper class), so it wasn't entirely emotional drivel devoid of any rational meaning.

[The Captain]

"The economy is so unpredictable it fluctuates greatly. The biggest effect a president can have, in my opinion, is on the mood of the investors. If this is true, then it is quite telling indeed."

That is a good point. Essentially, that means that the rest of the world has to be in some form of harmony with the USA if the economy will boom. Clinton might have been a less than great role model or husband but he was a shrewd politician and had a way of keeping relations between the world and America running smoothly enough that the market was booming.

Another factor, which is completely outside of Presidential power is the fact that the dotcom era began essentially during the Clinton Administration, which led to the giant bubble and eventual burst.

It's so ironic that no matter what, whenever there is a huge upswing on the economy, people never believe it can burst, yet it ALWAYS does. General economic theory would dictate that you cannot sustain a huge economic boom forever and that all things will balance out. Call it the Economic Theory of Gravity, that all things that go up must eventually fall back down. Instead of looking for ways to lift the economy through manipulation of the deficit, perhaps alternatives should be used such as a progressive tax cut or other reforms that can lighten the burden on the middle and lower classes.

Take care all.

[HOOTERS]

I agree with Unne, American politics is way too...American. People should be voting based on what the politicans stand for not all that cheesy crap your politicians seem to go on with. If one of our politicians said something like " I'm reporting for duty" they'd be laughed off the stage. I only really keep an interest in American politics so I can get more of the jokes on David Letterman.

[nik0tine]

True, Bush hasn't dont anything to improve the economy, but he did go to war And we know that can only be a sign of 'good leadership', especially when no complete BC weapons were found in Iraq.

Can Ya Dig It?

~~~FreaQ

Is that sarcasm or am i just missing your point?

[TasteyPies]

All slimeballs talk smooth before they go in for the kill.

You could clearly see Bush getting upset and disgusted by his lies.

[Casey]

All slimeballs talk smooth before they go in for the kill.

You could clearly see Bush getting upset and disgusted by his lies.

I agree to that.

[The Captain]

Anyone recall that nice State Of The Union address Bush gave less than two years ago to talk about slime and lies...

But that's old news now.

Take care all.

[escobert]

All slimeballs talk smooth before they go in for the kill.

You could clearly see Bush getting upset and disgusted by his lies.

[Besimudo]

I believe that his speech was the same dross all would-be Presidents give. In the debate both candidates: laughed, embraced and groomed...and seemed more ape than man, I'd say! Kerry ruffled Bushes feathers in the most predictable manner 'on war' (no points for Von Clausewitz here) thus Bush responded with an appeal to the 'familiy unit'; such non-intuitive gas-bagging can be heard in the lounge rooms of gossiping house wives i.e. the last thing America needs is hearing BBQ issues from their leaders!