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    So, here we go again, with attack-ads running and the Presidential race again being reduced to potential slander.

    Can we believe these attack-ads? Depends on who you ask:

    http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...dsayskerrylied

    Or perhaps, can we believe Senator McCain?

    The following is from the AP:

    "McCain Condemns Anti-Kerry Ad
    Republican Senator Calls Attack 'Dishonest and Dishonorable'
    By RON FOURNIER, AP



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    Sen. John McCain said a campaign ad criticizing John Kerry's military service was "dishonest and dishonorable." The White House declined to comment.

    WASHINGTON (Aug. 5) -- Republican Sen. John McCain, a former prisoner of war in Vietnam, called an ad criticizing John Kerry's military service ''dishonest and dishonorable'' and urged the White House on Thursday to condemn it as well.

    The White House declined.

    ''It was the same kind of deal that was pulled on me,'' McCain said in an interview with The Associated Press, comparing the anti-Kerry ad to tactics in his bitter Republican primary fight with President Bush.

    The 60-second ad features Vietnam veterans who accuse the Democratic presidential nominee of lying about his decorated Vietnam War record and betraying his fellow veterans by later opposing the conflict.

    ''When the chips were down, you could not count on John Kerry,'' one of the veterans, Larry Thurlow, says in the ad. Thurlow didn't serve on Kerry's swiftboat, but says he witnessed the events that led to Kerry winning a Bronze Star and the last of his three Purple Hearts. Kerry's crewmates support the candidate and call him a hero.

    The ad, scheduled to air in a few markets in Ohio, West Virginia and Wisconsin, was produced by Stevens, Reed, Curcio and Potham, the same team that produced McCain's ads in 2000.

    ''I wish they hadn't done it,'' McCain said of his former advisers. ''I don't know if they knew all the facts.''

    Asked if the White House knew about the ad or helped find financing for it, McCain said, ''I hope not, but I don't know. But I think the Bush campaign should specifically condemn the ad.''


    "It was the same kind of deal that was pulled on me."
    -Sen. John McCain

    McCain, chairman of Bush's campaign in Arizona, later said the Bush campaign has denied any involvement and added, ''I can't believe the president would pull such a cheap stunt.''

    White House spokesman Scott McClellan declined to condemn the ad. He did denounce the proliferation of spending by independent groups, such as the anti-Kerry veterans organization, that are playing on both sides of the political fence.

    ''The president thought he got rid of this unregulated soft money when he signed the bipartisan campaign finance reform into law,'' McClellan said. A chief sponsor of that bill, which Bush initially opposed, was McCain.

    In 2000, Bush's supporters sponsored a rumor campaign against McCain in the South Carolina primary, helping Bush win the primary and the nomination. McCain's supporters have never forgiven the Bush team.

    McCain said that's all in the past to him, but he's speaking out against the anti-Kerry ad because ''it reopens all the old wounds of the Vietnam War, which I spent the last 35 years trying to heal.''

    ''I deplore this kind of politics,'' McCain said. ''I think the ad is dishonest and dishonorable. As it is, none of these individuals served on the boat (Kerry) commanded. Many of his crew have testified to his courage under fire. I think John Kerry served honorably in Vietnam. I think George Bush served honorably in the Texas Air National Guard during the Vietnam War.''

    Retired Adm. Roy Hoffmann, head of the Swift Boat group, said they respected McCain's ''right to express his opinion and we hope he extends to us the same respect and courtesy, particularly since we served with John Kerry, we knew him well and Sen. McCain did not.''

    McCain himself spent more than five years in a Vietnam prisoner of war camp. A bona fide war hero, McCain, like Kerry, used his war record as the foundation of his presidential campaign.

    The Kerry campaign has denounced the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, saying none of the men in the ad served on the boat that Kerry commanded. Three veterans on Kerry's boat that day - Jim Rassmann, who says Kerry saved his life, Gene Thorson and Del Sandusky, the driver on Kerry's boat, said the group was lying.

    They say Kerry was injured, and Rassmann called the group's account ''pure fabrication.''

    The general counsel for the Kerry campaign and the Democratic National Committee sent television stations a letter asking them not to run the ad because it is ''an inflammatory, outrageous lie'' by people purporting to have served with Kerry.

    Hoffmann said none of the 13 veterans in the commercial served on Kerry's boat but rather were in other swiftboats within 50 yards of Kerry's. The group claims that there was no gunfire on the day Kerry pulled Rassmann from a muddy river in the Mekong Delta and that Kerry's arm was not wounded, as he has claimed."


    As always, there are two sides to every story, but I tend to believe McCain over other Republicans as he actually seems to want to express the truth of a situation, regardless of who's side it might favor.

    Take care all.

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    this is what happens when you have a political system which has at it's focal point on personalitys
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    Cool. I am going to New York tomorrow, so I'll be able to witness with my own eyes the great spectacle of the political campaign in USA. Cause you know, Spain is preety lame, but this thing with politicians biting each other attempting to look for errors the other one made thirty years ago and that have absolutely no influence in their way of ruling is just great if you have pop corn and a sense of humour.

    Do they appear kissing babies in the campaign?

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    Ads like these target Americans who basically have their minds made up about the election already, but just need more fuel for the fire so they can argue with me about why Kerry will be so bad for this country. If mudslinging is the only thing keeping the Bush campaign afloat, well then I'm not awfully worried.

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    I hate political ads. They are an insult to our intelligence, but somehow, they must work, or else they wouldn't be used. I don't know all that much about him, But from what i do know, McCain seems like an actaul 'good' politician, and for that I respect him and am semi proud to have him doing whatever he does, for my state of Arizona, regardless of his political stance. Im sick and tired of politicians who do nothing but reap the benefeits of abusing innocent people. We need more politicians like Kucinich, McCain, and possibly even John Edwards. As for the attack adds, They need to stop right now if there is any hope left of decency within politics.

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    There just playing eye for an eye. You do this, I do that. Kinda thing. I hate political ads, its like I'm John Kerry Kc Banks, and I dissaprove of this message. But hey, some of them are right on the otherhand.

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    Meh. More slander. It doesnt even affect my opinions anymore... which is sad.
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    Decency in politics? What is that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Nexus
    Cool. I am going to New York tomorrow, so I'll be able to witness with my own eyes the great spectacle of the political campaign in USA. Cause you know, Spain is preety lame, but this thing with politicians biting each other attempting to look for errors the other one made thirty years ago and that have absolutely no influence in their way of ruling is just great if you have pop corn and a sense of humour.

    Do they appear kissing babies in the campaign?
    You're in for a treat. New York is the smartest leftist city in America. The drop in intelligence when politicians roll around will make interesting street talk. I'd love to stay and watch but I'm heading south for awhile. Damn college things. Yes, babies are kissed and then taken off camera to be eaten.:evilking:
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    Kerry is far more qualified than Bush as he is willing to divulge his past slip ups as opposed to Bush who tries to cover up everything.

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    Call me misguided, but I would assume that actually serving in Vietnam trumps staying home any day of the week, regardless of what actually happened over there. It takes a true and real devotion to your country to actually go into the army and fight and to the best of my knowledge only one of the two major candidates can say they saw real, true combat.

    Yet, Bush still leads polls in the Defense and National Security issues, go figure.

    Take care al.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goyabean
    You're in for a treat. New York is the smartest leftist city in America. The drop in intelligence when politicians roll around will make interesting street talk. I'd love to stay and watch but I'm heading south for awhile. Damn college things. Yes, babies are kissed and then taken off camera to be eaten.:evilking:
    I'm there, but no interesting conversations yet.

    By the way, this city is stressing, everything goes too fast. I can't understand how people may like living here.

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    You get used to it. To be honest, when I leave New York, I can't believe how SLOW everything seems to be. It's quite a change, in either direction.

    Take care all.

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