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    WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The U.S. Supreme Court on Monday handed down a mixed verdict on the Bush administration's war against terror, ruling that U.S. and non-U.S. citizens alike seized as potential terrorists can challenge their treatment in U.S. courts.

    The high court supported the U.S. federal government in one important respect, ruling that Congress gave President Bush the authority to seize and hold a U.S. citizen, Louisiana-born Yaser Esam Hamdi, as an alleged enemy combatant.

    But the court ruled that Hamdi could use American courts to argue that he is being held illegally. (Hamdi case background)

    Additionally, foreign-born men held at a Navy prison camp at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, can also have their day in U.S. courts, the justices said in ruling on a separate case. (Guantanamo case background)

    The court sidestepped a third major terrorism case, ruling that a lawsuit filed on behalf of detainee Jose Padilla improperly named Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld instead of the much lower-level military officer in charge of the Navy brig in South Carolina where Padilla has been held for more than two years. (Padilla case background)

    Padilla must refile a lawsuit challenging his detention in a lower court.

    The Justice Department had no immediate reaction to the rulings.

    But lawyers for the Center for Constitutional Rights, a legal advocacy group that has been representing the Guantanamo detainees, hailed the ruling.

    "The Supreme Court has not closed the doors of justice to the detainees imprisoned at Guantanamo Bay," said the group's president, Michael Ratner. "This is a major victory for the rule of law and affirms the right of every person, citizen or non-citizen, detained by the United States to test the legality of his or her detention in a U.S. Court."

    "What appears to be going on here is some sort of compromise," said CNN senior legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin. "The court feels strongly about national security and the president's ability to conduct foreign affairs and military affairs, yet also responsible for the rule of law." (Toobin analysis)

    Reaction was quick from other quarters, as well.

    "Today's historic rulings are a strong repudiation of the administration's argument that its actions in the war on terrorism are beyond the rule of law and unreviewable by American courts," said Steven R. Shapiro, director of the American Civil Liberties Union, in a written statement.

    The ACLU filed friend-of-the-court briefs in all three cases.

    "The Supreme Court's verdicts show that, contrary to what the administration believes, we can have both security and liberty," added Sen. Charles Schumer, D-New York, in a written statement.

    "Congress should now enact legislation that reflects the court's carefully balanced decisions on liberty and security. The Judiciary Committee ought to hold hearings immediately to begin the process of enacting legislation."

    In the case of Hamdi, a U.S. citizen captured on a battlefield outside the United States and held for more than two years at a navy brig in Charleston, South Carolina, the court ruled that U.S. authorities have the right to hold him, but that he has the right to challenge his detention.

    Congress voted shortly after the September 11 attacks to give the president significant authority to pursue terrorists, but Hamdi's lawyers said that authority did not extend to the indefinite detention of a U.S. citizen without charges or trial.

    Writing for the 6-3 majority in Hamdi v. Rumsfeld, Justice Sandra Day O'Connor said, "As critical as the government's interest may be in detaining those who actually pose an immediate threat to the national security of the United States during ongoing international conflict, history and common sense teach us that an unchecked system of detention carries the potential to become a means for oppression and abuse of others who do not present that sort of threat."

    Justices Antonin Scalia, William Rehnquist and Clarence Thomas dissented.

    "This detention falls squarely within the federal government's war powers, and we lack the expertise and capacity to second-guess that decision," Thomas wrote in the dissenting opinion.

    "They did the right thing," said Hamdi's lawyer, Frank Dunham, when told of the ruling. "The court had to stand up for Hamdi. It's about all of us. You can't have a situation where the president can lock someone up and they can't have the opportunity to be heard."


    Detainees at the Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, facility.
    In the Guantanamo case ruling, the court consolidated two cases -- Rusul v. Bush and al Odah v. U.S. -- involving a British-born and a Kuwaiti-born man. The rulings could affect the approximately 600 non-U.S.-born men being held in the Navy prison on Guantanamo.

    The court said the Cuban base is not beyond the reach of American courts even though it is outside the country.

    Lawyers for the detainees there had said to rule otherwise would be to declare the Cuban base a legal no-man's land.

    The Bush administration contends that as "enemy combatants," the men are not entitled to the usual rights of prisoners of war set out in the Geneva Conventions.

    The Associated Press reported that the high court's ruling applies only to Guantanamo detainees, although the United States holds foreign prisoners elsewhere.

    Writing for the 6-3 majority, Justice John Paul Stevens said U.S. authorities have the right to hold the men, but that they have the right to challenge their detention in a U.S. court.

    In the Padilla case, his attorney, Donna Newman said, "Today the Supreme Court did not rule that the president has the authority to detain an American citizen on American soil. What they did was delay the inevitable -- that Padilla must be charged with a crime."

    The cases are: Hamdi v. Rumsfeld (03-6696), Rumsfeld v. Padilla (03-1027), Rasul v. Bush (03-334) and Al Odah v. United States (03--0343).
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    Good, if they do anything different, we are going to have to start picking up guns and shooting at this Administration. Giving them no right to court is taking a giant crap on the constitution.

    Frankly it strikes me as insane that the US government even tried to get these kinds of powers. It's scary, however, that Congress went along with the administration on suspending habeas corpus for U.S. Citizens. It's the same as pissing on the American flag and it's constitution. Vote Kerry.

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    THANK GOD! for once it sounds like SOMETHING is moving, if only slightly, in the right direction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nik0tine
    THANK GOD! for once it sounds like SOMETHING is moving, if only slightly, in the right direction.
    I don't think a lot of people this year are going to actually comprehend how flipping scary it is that they were trying to do this.

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    Bah, since when are terrorists or suspected terrorists subjected to human and constitutional rights? Screw them!


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    I was very glad to hear of this development.

    However, these captives have always had the right to humane treatment and due process of justice. They simply weren't given that right. This court ruling might very well have no effect.

    A few English-born prisoners were released to the UK authorities recently. They were freed almost immediately, as there was no evidence against them.

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    I've always thought it horrifying that they weren't being given trials in the first place. Hopefully, as D points out, this will have some sort of effect, but given the knack the current administration seems to have for mosying around what's deemed legal, I wouldn't be surprised if they find some way to keep these people in prison without trial anyway. What a bunch of despicable arses.
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    It is interesting, though; does Bush give the detainees what the US courts said now or does he keep the status quo? This is an election year, and I doubt he'd want to do something seen as "Un-American" by denying these people their rights any longer. Unless of course he plans to rig the election somehow. This could very well be a vote winner or vote loser for Bush.

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    "It is interesting, though; does Bush give the detainees what the US courts said now or does he keep the status quo? This is an election year, and I doubt he'd want to do something seen as "Un-American" by denying these people their rights any longer. Unless of course he plans to rig the election somehow. This could very well be a vote winner or vote loser for Bush."

    Well whatever he does, i jsut hope he screws it up one last time. that way we dont have four more years of him continually screwing up.

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    i,m just curious how many ppl are being held without trial without us knowing anything about it? i hate it how USA government r such hypocrites.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aeris2001x2
    i,m just curious how many ppl are being held without trial without us knowing anything about it?
    More than you know.

    Probably so many that there are too many for trials to happen at that verry momment.

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    yeah i woudl imagine there would be alot going on that we dont know about. what i really love is how the bush administration now thinks they can legally bypass international torture laws. its funny really. these guys just gotta go.

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    yeah but if/when Kerry gets in, what would he do different? i,m uk so i,m genuinly curious if it will make me like despise the *war on terror* less.
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    i dont know if it would make it any different. i dont trust john kerry, but he is the only option left unfortunately. i already know im gonna hate john kerry as soon as he is in office, but it seems this is the only way to stop george bush from killing people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nik0tine
    i dont know if it would make it any different. i dont trust john kerry, but he is the only option left unfortunately. i already know im gonna hate john kerry as soon as he is in office, but it seems this is the only way to stop george bush from killing people.
    More specifically, why exactly do you hate him? Do you hate him because he's "like George Bush" or because he's rich?

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    Well i doubt if the Bush Admin. will comply completely they will probably have a few upfront trials and then pretend like that was all of them.

    Just because the Supreme Court decides it doesnt, mean the executive branch complies, lets not forget the trail of tears.
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