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    [q=Kilika]Please don't forget that it isn't just the President's decision. [/q]While the president alone can't order a declaration of war, he can order airstrikes and "reinforcements" to be sent in without legislative approval. That's how the Vietnam war and Operation Desert Fox took place. The soldiers sent to Vietnam were officially reinforcements for the local troops, and the action in Desert Fox was entirely air or sea-based, with no troops landing in Iraq itself.

    It's possible that no further attacks will be launched; any further “liberations” of Arabic nations would just be too obviously part of a trend. The world’s considerable criticism of the recent rogue action by the US, UK and others would increase. I think that the coalition nations will realise that they need to act with their old allies, rather than waging illegal campaigns and condemning those who don’t help them, then demanding that those other states help to clean up the mess that’s left behind. “One law for all” is supposed to be the basis of international relations, rather than “one power exempt from the rules while it summarily judges any it disagrees with”. It might, just might become apparent that it’s just a tad hypocritical for the nations with the world’s biggest WMD stockpiles to demand that other countries declare and destroy their own; that it’s similarly hypocritical to breach international law and UN conventions to punish countries that do not comply with international law and UN resolutions.
    One thing is pretty certain, though: invading one country after another, killing politicians and destroying governments, replacing them with a system based on America’s model, is not going help in the fight against terrorism, nor is it truly bringing self-determination to any nations where it might be lacking.
    I have high hopes that the next US president and British PM will realise that “diplomacy” does not mean telling your enemies, “do exactly what we say, when we say, and how we say to do it or else we’ll kill you and possibly your families and a few of your people as well.”
    Change can happen without military intervention; forcibly re-shaping other countries into our own image is not the way to go.

    Having said all that, I'd also guess that Syria and Iran would be the next logical targets, based on their policies and systems of government, not to mention their recent histories.

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    [QUOTE=Big D][q=Kilika] It might, just might become apparent that it’s just a tad hypocritical for the nations with the world’s biggest WMD stockpiles to demand that other countries declare and destroy their own; that it’s similarly hypocritical to breach international law and UN conventions to punish countries that do not comply with international law and UN resolutions.
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    that is such an amazing statement. it portays beautifully the main reason i hate US and my own UK foreign policy. you rule Big D
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    Well, I don't know who will be next... but I'm hoping either Iran, Saudi Arabia (yeah, right..), or North Korea. The first two... well, they support terrorism, and should be brought down. The last... well, North Korea has grown waaaaay too powerful already. A war with it should've been waged BEFORE they had nukes, so now it's going to be a lot more difficult, if not to say catastrophic.

    And why would N. Korea kick our ass?
    Nukes, mon ami, and the will to use them. Their army is pretty darn big, too... but that's not the problem. The problem is nukes, and their usage by North Korea against military and civilian targets. Even if you do beat them in the end.. at what cost?
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    North Korea or Iran would be my guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by War Angel
    Well, I don't know who will be next... but I'm hoping either Iran, Saudi Arabia (yeah, right..), or North Korea.
    You're "hoping" that another nation will face air strikes, the destruction of its infrastructure and government, and the collateral deaths of thousands of its people?
    The first two... well, they support terrorism, and should be brought down.
    France, the US, Israel and many other nations have supported acts considered 'terrorism' by many. It's a very subjective concept.
    The last... well, North Korea has grown waaaaay too powerful already. A war with it should've been waged BEFORE they had nukes, so now it's going to be a lot more difficult, if not to say catastrophic.
    "Too powerful"? I don't like the idea that it's the US's job to be the most powerful nation on earth, and to annihilate anyone who opposes them. North Korea may be unstable and introverted, with a similar leader, but it is not a suicidally crazy country. No sovereign nation is ever going to start a nuclear war; to do so would assure annihilation. If the US and its allies are "permitted" to have weapons of mass destruction, then other sovereign states should have an equal right. If bans and restricitons are to be imposed, or governments reformed, then that should be the will of the international community as a whole, not the fancy of a handful of states furthering their own self-interest behind a veil of "humanitarian reasons".

    The recent UN action in the Solomon Islands is but one piece of proof that the global community can act together to reform a troubled nation without having to make deadly, renegade assaults. In the Solomons, an international force comprising mainly Australian and New Zealand police and army was able to weed out militants and widespread corruption. No ad hoc POW camps, no denial of human rights, no bungled bombing missions. Also, superpowers demanding, "do as we say, not as we do, or else we kill you".

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    Quote Originally Posted by nik0tine
    That's a bad word. not to mention unpatriotic!
    Wait, since when has it been unpatriotic to attack France?

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    Quote Originally Posted by princeofdarknez
    Wait, since when has it been unpatriotic to attack France?
    hahaha.

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    Iran has already threatened pre-emptive strikes on US troops in the region, so if anyone's next, they are. However, I think everyone's holding their breaths until the next US election. If Dubya gets back in, I can see things going pear-shaped. Or rather mushroom shaped...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skogs
    Iran has already threatened pre-emptive strikes on US troops in the region, so if anyone's next, they are. However, I think everyone's holding their breaths until the next US election. If Dubya gets back in, I can see things going pear-shaped. Or rather mushroom shaped...
    lol! that was funny. Im gonna use that as a pick up line someday.

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    [q=Skogs]Iran has already threatened pre-emptive strikes on US troops in the region[/q]That's interesting, 'cos the US threatened pre-emptive strikes against North Korea. I guess, though, that's it's ok for the US government to lash out in 'self defence', but if anyone else threatens to do the same then that's proof that they're war-mongering terrorists who must be destroyed...[q=nik0tine]lol! that was funny. Im gonna use that as a pick up line someday.[/q]Skogs' words of wisdom can be so hard to apply in other circumstances.
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    Hmm. Perhaps not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big D
    [q=Skogs]Iran has already threatened pre-emptive strikes on US troops in the region[/q]That's interesting, 'cos the US threatened pre-emptive strikes against North Korea. I guess, though, that's it's ok for the US government to lash out in 'self defence', but if anyone else threatens to do the same then that's proof that they're war-mongering terrorists who must be destroyed...
    That's because the western world is civilised, whereas the rest of the world are mangy dogs who deserve death for their non- capitalist beliefs and refusal to make lots of money.

    On- topic, it's gonna be Iran. War noises are being made.

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    lol i was about to rant at u then Mei, until i realised your sarcasm .

    so if its Iran, what excuse will they use to attack, and how long will they wait after the UN says no?
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    You're "hoping" that another nation will face air strikes, the destruction of its infrastructure and government, and the collateral deaths of thousands of its people?
    Suffering is a by-product of justice - and that's all I'll say.

    France, the US, Israel and many other nations have supported acts considered 'terrorism' by many. It's a very subjective concept.
    Neither one does it now. And no, terrorism is not a subjective term, it's a very defined and objective term, used in reference a very specific kind of action.

    I don't like the idea that it's the US's job to be the most powerful nation on earth, and to annihilate anyone who opposes them.
    It's not like that, and you know it. The USA is currently the strongest nation in the world, and as such, acts as its guardian. That means taking out threats to peace, such North Korea.

    so if its Iran, what excuse will they use to attack, and how long will they wait after the UN says no?
    Iran will probably do something stupid, like attack American soldiers, or advance into Iraq... and who cares about the UN, or what they say?
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    wow, u really are a WAR angel...

    "Suffering is a by-product of justice - and that's all I'll say."

    that is very scary, sumthin a brutal dictator would say.


    "Neither one does it now. And no, terrorism is not a subjective term, it's a very defined and objective term, used in reference a very specific kind of action."

    "what he means is when the US suppprted Terroism, they would not call it such a thing. but to most ppl it was. it dont matter if they dont now. if it was not for their support of terroism, then there would not have been a 9/11. US are hypocrites."

    "It's not like that, and you know it. The USA is currently the strongest nation in the world, and as such, acts as its guardian. That means taking out threats to peace, such North Korea."

    i hate that USA thinks its the worlds police man. such a notion as made USA invade so many countries since the end of the second world war, and certainly has screwed the world over seriously. and you reap what you sow, which is why 9/11 occured.

    since when was North Korea a threat to peace? its no more a threat then anyone else with nukes. so lets invade UK, France and Germany! quick, we must stop Russia! its dumb. leave north Korea alone and it will do nothing. not to mention USA has the BIGGEST WMD stock pile. and looking at US activity since 1945, i,d say USA is the biggest threat to peace in the world.

    "Iran will probably do something stupid, like attack American soldiers, or advance into Iraq... and who cares about the UN, or what they say?"

    well i guess its true, the UN is about as useless as the league of nations was before WWII. but as Big D said, punishing Iraq for breaking UN resolutions, by breaking them yourself, is beyomd hypocritical. its pure arrogance. in invading all these countries and dealing out *Justice*, there be many more US haters. does the US want to create more Osama Bin Ladens and bring about more 9/11 style attacks???

    they should start by leaving north Korea etc alone and stop condoning the murderous Israel's actions.
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    It's not like that, and you know it. The USA is currently the strongest nation in the world, and as such, acts as its guardian. That means taking out threats to peace, such North Korea.
    North Korea is NOT a threat to the peace. The only real threat to peace is the united states.


    Neither one does it now. And no, terrorism is not a subjective term, it's a very defined and objective term, used in reference a very specific kind of action.

    If memory permits, the U.S. has it's own little terrorist cell itself. I've heard of The school of the America's in fort benning georgia... they train alot of latino paramilitary groups to carry out terrorist acts in latin america. Ill go read up on it some more in a little bit and i'll get back to you if i find anything more than that.

    EDIT: Here is a link to an activist's website agains the SOA. If you wanna hear the other side of the story, you can look yourself. You can go to It's official website i guess. anyways, here is the link. http://www.soaw.org/new/type.php?type=8
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