Is it Balamb administrations fault Seifer went to the darkside?

[Anaisa]

If someone tries to assasinate a president not everyone in the whole town or where ever is questioned! And if everyone in Timber was going to be questioned they'd have been questioned whether Seifer did that or not.And im sure Seifer had every intention of acheiving his dreams he seemed pretty driven to me.And you don't intend on attaining your dreams! Unless your dreams are impossible to make a reality you should always try and make your dreams come true. I have to make my dreams that can come true into a reality because i won't be satisfied until they are.

[TheAbominatrix]

You're telling me that after an attempted assassination of a President, no one would attempt to find the killer and his cohorts? That's utterly ridiculous. They'd want to find the guy and punish him. Immeadiatly. They knew Seifer wasnt alone, and they'd want to find everyone involved. If there was no danger, then why did everyone sneak out of town instead of just marching out? They hid, because they knew they were in danger. Even the Forest Owls hid because they knew they were in danger, remember?

And I have no doubt that Seifer would do anything to realize his dream, but that doesnt mean he was making detailed plans. Maybe he was, maybe he wasnt. I dont think he was. As for my dreams, I dont expect every one of them to come true. I'm happy either way. It's good that you're willing to make plans for yours, though.

[Anaisa]

No thats not what im telling you. I never said that no one would attempt to find them after an assasination attempt on the president.And yes they were in danger which is why they had to sneak out of Timber but they were not put in that situation because of Seifer they went in after him.So if they didn't follow Seifer into the tv station then no they wouldn't have been in danger.

[TheAbominatrix]

You said not everyone is questioned. It's standard procedure to do otherwise. In fact, if I remember right, soldiers even came to the house that the SeeDs were hiding in.

The fact that they were strangers would have put them in danger. As I said, even the Forest Owls were hiding because they were known troublemakers. Even if they'd never gone into the tv station (they didnt go 'after Seifer', because they were heading there anyway. After the saw him there, they hurried to help him, because that's what you do when your ally is in danger), they'd still be in trouble if they were caught. They had no reason to be in Timber (which was in a police state at the time) and no proof that they were there for any other reason. They'd also been seen with the Forest Owls and were traveling with one of their members.

[Anaisa]

I didn't mean that they went in after him and they went into the tv station because he was there i meant that he was in the building before them and they knew he was in there but they still went in. So It wasn't Seifers fault they had to sneak around it was there choice to go in there after they'd seen what he was doing. And even if Seifer hadn't have done that they'd still have had to sneak out of Timber.

[TheAbominatrix]

You're blatantly ignoring half the things I said. Seifer's actions would mean anyone in town who didnt want to be detained would need to sneak around.

Anyway, you've been ignoring pretty much everything I've said, just making the same argument over and over, and I only bother debating with someone who'll extend the courtesy of acknowledgement. So I'm done arguing with you.

[Anaisa]

Me ignoring what you said? i think not! more like the other way round. And with or without Seifers actions they'd still have had to have snuck around if they went ahead with there plan of making an announcement on live tv.

[Lord_Seymour]

Im sure that would have been a fantastic ending. Everyone being outnumbered and slaughtered.... i would have laughed anyway.

[Rand Al'Tor]

To take over from Abominatrix...

Yes, had they made their announcement, they'd have to be careful as well. But there's a SEVERE difference between 'some guys snuck into the studio and made a statement about Timber independance' and 'some guys snuck in and put a gunblade against our president's neck' The former will probably go on the big pile of 'Resistance movements do stuff'', they'd put some people on it, but wouldn't reqlly expect that much. And quite frqnkly, it wouldn't mqtter thqt much anyway, as it's obvious the Timber people are pretty anti-Galbadian to start with.

the latter... well... I'm almost surprised the Galbadians were so mellow about it. Try to imagine what would happen in a French city during WW2 if an assassination attempt was done on Hitler (and from what I've seen, Hitler/Deling comparisions are perfectly valid) . Total bloody lockdown, everyone showing ID-cards, everyone resisting a bullet through the head... If it was the Shinra, they'd have roasted the town and got it over with... including Squall and company.

So yeah, Seifer was too full of himself and his dream to realize he might put people in danger. When you wanna make your dreams into reality, you have to LIVE in reality.

Same with the SeeD exam. He gets the idea to go hunt Galbadians and ABANDONS his position. WHAT THE HELL? I'm no military expert, but even I can see that you CANNOT get a military operation going with people moving around on a whim. For all Seifer knew, a bunch of Galbadians could waltz across the place they left and kill all the other students, who would be unprepared because they ASSUMED that side was covered by Seifer and his squad. Heck, it's pretty weird SQUALL goes along with it. But perhaps he really just wanted training, and as long as Seifer took responsibility, he didn't care much about the others. (Speculation of mine) Or perhaps Squall was just being stupid. Or didn't want to look like he was wussing out in front of Seifer.

But no, Seifer is NOT SeeD material. Without a major attitude change, the guy would be a danger to anyone with him as much as the enemy. So I can't blame Garden for cracking down on him. Heck, only thing I can blame them for is making him boss of the disciplinary commitee. I mean? HUH? And perhaps Cid for covering for Seifer too much, so Seifer didn't understand that there were consequences for his actions.

[Giga Guess]

Yeah...Cid said he preferred someone who thinks for himself, but Seifer's nature was just dangerous. In a military operation, ALL parts have to work as a unit. I mean how was Seifer to know that the tower wasn't rigged to blow should intruders trespass? Or had hostages, or somethings (Prisoners of war, I guess I should say...)? Or that there was...I dunno...some weapon of mass destruction hidden in the square...? Sometimes orders are unglamorous for a reason, other than humility...

[lgrowse]

Hey i like him he is like me follow instincs and think later ps ( he cant be in a sequel because he died remember luntic pandora when gilgamesh killed him)

[Trumpet Thief]

chaos: I'm pretty sure I have posted in this thread before, so I'll just join the debate. My apologies as I didn't get to read all of the posts, because of a lack of time and patience

Rubedo: Anyways, from what I have read, this discussion is revolving around whether Seifer was going to kill the president, and if he should've, so I'll just start from there.

Trowa: I believe that Seifer was going to take the President hostage as even he didn't play that recklessly with lives and whatnot. Although, I hardly doubt it was the Balamb Administrations fault because of that. Even before, on the Dollet mission, he went off rather than following instructions.

Rubedo: As for if he should've done it, it might've been better for him to plan it out more, and perhaps, go along with what the Timber Owls were doing.

[Braindead_Paul]

Hey i like him he is like me follow instincs and think later ps ( he cant be in a sequel because he died remember luntic pandora when gilgamesh killed him)

You didn't finish the game, did you?!

[Giga Guess]

Hey i like him he is like me follow instincs and think later ps ( he cant be in a sequel because he died remember luntic pandora when gilgamesh killed him)

He didn't die. He just got blasted into the middle of next week. Rewatch the ending. He's there.

[lgrowse]

well i have finished the game and he does not appear to be in it all it says is that he is in an other dimention for enternety