[q=Martyr]And maybe those people shouldn't be neutered (Maybe they should), but, honestly now, are there really any redeeming properties for such people at all? Nah.[/q]Poverty cycle? Societal forces are very strong; generations of deprivation and institutionalised discrimination can have effects that take years to undo. Some people aren't wholly responsible for their life circumstances. Some people choose not to pursue careers of wealth - members of certain Christian/Muslim/other religious groups who spend their time helping others rather than pursuing their own ends. Devout Buddhists and others choose not to acquire physical property. Others do so out of a wholly moral motivation.

Some people never have money to begin with. I'm at university studying toward a certain degree. I'm using a government loan to pay for it all. I'll be in debt for decades after I graduate; many graduates can't find a 'real' job and owes thousands for their entire lives. Nothing wrong with them as people; they just weren't able to get what they hoped for.

Some people are unable to work for other reasons - illness, injury, mental health, poor education.

There are too many reasons why there are poor people; blaming the poor for having no money is like blaming the hungry for having no food.

However, I too have little time for those who could earn a living but merely choose to bludge off the state instead.
And I never flamed anybody. If I did, then I want a quote!
I don't know what suicidal section of your rusty brain has convinced you otherwise. Unless...
I can only assume that this statement is a sign of your resignation to my beliefs.
Deliberately insulting, provocative statement.
Because I can justify anything I say.
Your opinion of whether you can justify a statement has little to do with it. A flame is a flame. Besides, my warning to everyone called for "no more insults or abuse"; there's an element of pre-emption. Giving people a chance to steer this thread from the course it was beginning to take. Being... proactive, maybe even nice, rather than waiting around for things to turn really bad then simply closing the topic without a word.